Boris wins 2019 General Election and pledges Brexit by 31st January
The results of yesterday’s 2019 General Election are now in with the Conservatives returned along with a stonking majority of 78 with one seat left to declare – it will likely end up as an 80 seat majority giving Boris Johnson a comfortable buffer to push ahead with his Brexit plan of leaving the EU on the 31st of January. That may or may not please you (Only about 47% of the electorate voted for parties backing leave, so a lot won’t be happy), but that’s the outcome of three years bickering and the last six weeks campaigning.
Leaving the EU is the easy part, there’s still a trade deal to negotiate by the end of 2020 and that’s a tough ask as it depends on the EU coming together to agree the deal on their side.
The 2019 General Election result was clearly Brexit led with the country fed up with what Boris termed as “dither and delay”, but that alone can’t account for Labour’s dismal performance with barely 200 seats. The Jeremy Corbyn effect, although much loved by many, has simply turned off votors who either distrust or dislike the man or didn’t believe he could afford to deliver on his promises and so discounted them. They also refused to believe his scare stories of selling off the NHS and much as he tried to pivot issues away from Brexit that’s what the country came back to.
Across the country many lost their seats such as Anna Soubry, Chuka Umunna and Dominic Grieve who all either deserted their parties or were booted out. Others such as the long standing Dennis Skinner, Labour MP for Bolsover since 1970, were more surprising to see fall.
This was a night when leaders were toppled with Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson seeing her seat go to the SNP and Sinn Féin unseat the DUP Westminster leader Nigel Dodds. It won’t stop here, obviously Jeremy Corbyn has to go and he’s already intimated that he won’t stand at the next election.
Don’t think it will be all plain sailing for Boris with his majority, the likes of which haven’t been seen since the days of Maggie Thatcher. The SNP have done well in Scotland picking up seats from both Conservative and Labour and they are already clamouring for a second independence referendum. The DUP will try to make waves over Northern Ireland’s position in the Brexit Deal, but Boris doesn’t need their support any longer and they’ll find themselves impotent and unable to demand financial sops. Their voice will still be heard.
Most important of all, it’s very obvious that vast swathes of the country have only loaned their votes to the Conservatives and they want to remain in power after their five year term then they need to deliver a country that works for everyone, not just the elite in London. However this election has also changed the Conservative party itself. Having booted dissenters out of the party, and suddenly won a swathe of MPs across the Midlands, North of England and even Wales, the party is no longer one of the South – an army of new MPs will be coming down from the North.
The 2019 General Election hasn’t just put Brexit on a certain path, it’s also changed UK politics for what could be the next decade. Labour will regroup and rally, but winning in five years time is looking very doubtful based on current performance and no party has won back the number of seats they would need at a single election.
the SNP will bang the drum
though common sense dictates boris will
tell them to wait until brexit part 2 is more clear,
then Scotland has a better view of what its actually voting for
We haven’t seen many MPs exhibiting much common sense recently…. SNP will be ballistic and powerless which won’t be pretty
When you say “the SNP are already clamouring for a second independence referendum” what you mean is that the mandate in which they fought this election ie. having an Independence referendum in 2020, should now be given as it was obviously fully backed by the Scottish people – hence the gains – and the un-seating of the Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson.
As you said in your first paragraph about Brexit : “That may or may not please you, but that’s the outcome of the last six weeks campaigning.”
Scotland having an Independence referendum “may not please you” either, but that IS the outcome of the last six weeks campaigning”
And that’s the problem…. The SNP could campaign for whatever they want but, without a coalition with a party to form a government which they are part of, they have about as much power to deliver anything as Labour.
Yes they have a mandate in Scotland but that doesn’t translate to power in Westminster any more than it does for the DUP in Northern Ireland this time around… however unfair that sounds and may well be
@Stu: Not sure they quite got a mandate, the SNP only got 45% of the votes and that does not mean that everybody would vote to leave the UK.
The funny little thing can jump, shout and stamp her feel all she likes but it is not going to happen in the near future, as Chris said they have no power and Boris made it quite clear that he was not interested. He currently has a bigger task to deal with.
Personally I think, in time, they should be given the chance due to the UK leaving the EU, but only on that basis and what is the hurry?
How long would it take to unravel and would the EU allow them to join?
Why not wait to see if the UK make a success of Brexit or are they concerned that we will and then they will lose another referendum?
I cannot believe place like Redcar voted for a Tory.
Anyway Boris can do what the hell he wants now and none of them have the power to do anything.
The SNP will shout and stamp their feet as normal, but the Pro UK in Scotland is still held just split with the Tories, Lab and Lib Dems.
She will claim 48 seats will give her another mandate on top of all the other ones she claims she has, they will just play the politics of grievance as normal, she was always going to clamour for indyref2 anyway whatever she got.
Labour will have to come back to normality now, get rid of Corbyn style politics and give people a real choice in the future as they will pay a heavy price under a Boris Government….with continued poor working conditions, greater inequality. The Banks and Tory Donors will be rubbing their greedy hands as normal however…
I would rather not discuss politics here – what are the consequences for my e-commerce business? I am a small online bookseller selling books across the entire world on multiple online marketplaces based in the UK, US and EU. How does it affect me?
now that there is a UK government that can function we wonder what the out come of a Scottish indy2 referendum would be
one thing voting in a general election , another in a referendum where the choice is entirely different,
the recent EU elections highlight this ,the conservatives were nowhere in the EU elections, yet win a landside in a general election,
we dont think its the SNP that is the attraction
more the fear of corbyn and his peoples republic of islington
we wonder if john ashworth will still claim it was banter
Blyth Valley voting for a Tory…. the town hasn’t improved much since its inception in 1950’s. Go on BFI archives and watch some old recordings and you will see almost all seaside towns were in better shape 70 years ago than now! That’s not progress Britain… Even the Blyth beach isn’t that pretty but at least it’s clean from junkie’s needles one could find through 80’s -90’s and that’s mostly thanks to EU laws I guess. Oh wait…
@tyler : “Not sure they quite got a mandate, the SNP only got 45% of the votes – I think you are referring to the 2014 referendum here Tyler” If you could please present actual facts rather than misnomers that would be helpful.
In this election the SNP got 81% of all votes cast in Scotland – does that suffice as a mandate?
“The funny little thing” that you refer to is the first Minister of Scotland – show some respect please.
“They” have no power – to whom do you refer – the 81% of voters who voted for the mandate of independence? Or just the people of Scotland in general?
Talking of “they have no power” – Boris Johnson (Conservative Party) got 43.6% of the UK vote – less than the 45% you refer to in the 2014 Scottish referendum – but yet he still has a mandate? Very interesting the way in which you perceive things isn’t it?
“Personally I think, in time, they should be given the chance due to the UK leaving the EU, but only on that basis and what is the hurry?“ That’s very kind of you Tyler, thank you so much.
What basis is this that you are talking about, your basis? Given that Scotland does not want to leave the EU you still find it fair that a part of the “Union” that does not want to leave should be MADE to leave – not much of a “Union” is it? Before we get in to the “you are part of the UK” nonsense, it would not have mattered if Scotland had voted for ALL the seats in Scotland to be Labour or Liberal, we would still have ended up with a Tory government. So you will see that whatever Scotland votes it never gets (also applicable to Wales or Norther Ireland – the other parts of the “Union”). Elections are won and lost in England.
So as not to have to send this reply to Sam too, who says “The SNP will shout and stamp their feet as normal, but the Pro UK in Scotland is still held just split with the Tories, Lab and Lib Dems.” What part of 81% of the vote and 48 out of 59 seats gets you to the conclusion that “the Pro UK in Scotland is still held just split” – may I be so bold as to recommend a basic Arithmetic class to you.
It is “reasoning” like your own (and Sam’s) which answers the question “and what is the hurry?“
They got 80% of the seats, and 45% of the popular vote and the remaining 55% voted for Labour,Tories, Lib Dems…and it is the popular vote that wins referendum and not seats.
Nicola likes to forget about the 55%.
. Even Nicola Sturgeon had said 45% is not enough, and even Nicola said not everyone who voted SNP on Thursday would vote for independence, so your probably looking at about 39%.
Nothing has actually changed., she would lose a 2nd referendum right now., she knows it also but she will have to make a lot of noise however.
@Stu, you clearly do not understand politics and your whole “speech” is simply nonsense, as is your math. Sam has already pointed out to you the facts.
Boris Johnson (Conservative Party) got 43.6% of the UK vote and 365 seats, the SNP got 48, puts it into perspective do you not think? It is seats that count, maybe you should read up on that.
There are many areas of the UK that voted to remain, including London, but they still have to accept the vote to leave, much the same as Labour voters have to accept that we will be run by a Tory government, you can’t just opt out when you feel like it, or did you not know that?
And when you talk about respect, how about your “Funny little thing” having some respect for the Prime Minister of the UK, which Scotland is part of, by choice and a majority vote. Again, like many people that voted to remain you and your”Funny Little Thing” fail to respect the vote of the majority.
What about democracy, you are part of the UK, you voted, as a country to stay part of the UK and the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU. How many referendums do you want?
I would have been happy for you to have voted leave when you had the chance, but you did not get the support and as Sam has pointed out, you still don’t have it. So why would you want to make yourselves look foolish?
You missed responding to:
1. How long would it take to unravel from the UK
2. Would the EU allow Scotland to join?”
You would look very foolish if you managed to leave the UK and then they would not let you join. You would also have to sort out the border problem between England & Scotland before joining the EU.
Maybe time to rebuild Hadrian’s Wall.
Last time I checked Hadrian’s wall was in England and well south of the Scottish border 😉
Sturgeons in a hurry because when Alex salmonds dirty washing is hung on the line
Questions sre going to be asked
Of what she knew ?
and if she did not know why?
My apologies, a bit of confusion there on the percentage of seats to percentage of votes. I will enrol in the basic Arithmetic class now!! haha
You are correct on the seats issue but if it is seats that count the SNP got 48 out of 59 in Scotland and they obviously do not get votes from anywhere else other than Scotland. I do however have friends in England who would have liked to have voted SNP but couldn’t, maybe a consideration for the future? You are also correct on “areas” of the UK that voted to remain but Scotland is a country, that is the point. You want to take an entire country out of something that it does not want to leave.
If we go back to 2010 the SNP got 6 seats in Scotland (10% of the seats) and yet Scotland was “allowed” to have a referendum and forgive me for sounding suspicious – but maybe it was “allowed” as it was thought that there would be nowhere near the 45% of the vote that was reached for the Yes campaign. Now that the SNP win 48 seats (81% of the seats) this somehow equates to not being allowed to have a referendum. The SNP ran this election with an independence referendum as an integral part of its policy and the country of Scotland voted for that (if we are going on the “it’s seats that matter” philosophy). Is a country not afforded another opportunity of voting again because it is part of a Union, or because a larger part of that Union doesn’t want it to have one? That does not make the Union sound very fair does it? That is like saying that we can never have any more general elections again, I mean how many elections do you want? 🙂
“Funny little thing” – wow! Respect you say? I don’t think anything else need be said on that.
1. How long would it take to unravel from the UK – I don’t know. How long will it take to unravel from the EU?
2. Would the EU allow Scotland to join? Why would it not?
“You would also have to sort out the border problem between England & Scotland before joining the EU” – Hadrian’s wall being your suggestion for that, although you seem to be giving away parts of northern England. If there is to be no hard border in Ireland why should there be one between Scotland and England?
@Stu It really does not matter if it is a country or not, it is part of the United Kingdom and it voted to remain as part., therefore, it respects the decision as a whole., or at least those who believe in democracy do.
It really does not matter how many seats the SNP have, you had a vote and it was to remain as part of the UK.
The UK is part of the EU, it had a vote to leave, if the EU had voted to remain I am sure there would have been a fuss and a request to have another vote, this would not have happened and I expect we would have had to wait many years before we got the chance to vote again.
As part of the EU over many years there have been many things that we may not have liked, but as part of that Union we had to respect the laws, rules and other things decided by the EU as a whole. This is the same as Scotland, it is part of the UK as a whole and must respect the decisions made by the majority or leave, but, as a whole, you choose to remain through a democratic vote.
Regardless of if we left the EU or not, your “Funny Little Thing” would still be jumping up and down trying to get another referendum, much the same as Farage would if we had voted to remain.
Respect was something that you brought up, which is quite funny as you seem to disrespect democracy and the fact that the majority of Scotland voted to remain part of the UK.
If you are talking about mandates to do something then Boris had a mandate to not allow Scotland another referendum, 365 seats to 48, sounds like a majority in favour of not allowing it. And we wouldn’t want Boris to break his promise would we?
I have no idea how long it will take to unravel from the EU, but I am sure in this period the UK does not want to be trying to also unravel part of its own union at the same time.
It is a simple answer to say why would the EU not allow Scotland to join, but there is no guarantee that it would.
Project fear is not dead, it is alive and well in Scotland and being used by the SNP to try and fulfill their agenda for another referendum. The biggest fear for the SNP is that once the UK have left the EU, if we make a good make a good fist of it, the chance of you ever winning a leave referendum would be even harder.
Get real scotland
With A total population of 5 million ,around the same size as greater Manchester
You simply cant Support an economy or public service any where near the existing
without a massive rise. In tax or support of the rest of the uk
One thing the UKleaving the EU ,much bigger operation for scotland to leave the uk
Police ,defense, communication,health are much more intertwined
We wonder what the english vote would be if they were asked if they wanted scotland
Project Fear died a long time ago. Not big enough, not rich enough etc etc etc
I think England should be given that democratic right to vote on whether they want to stay part of the “Union” too, as should Wales and Northern Ireland. It seems a reasonable question.
its not fear its reality
ignoring the facts to pursue an ideological crusade fails to alter reality
if you hate scotland that much, leave.
worst kind of hypocrite you really are.
Can you explain how a country with no control over borrowing, runs a higher defecit than the country controlling it’s borrowing? you can’t. it’s rigged.
– if the EU had said britain owned 90% of the EU’s debt you’d be on board with that too? or would you perhaps question that?
why does the oil suddenly vanish when it suits you? excluding oil the defecit runs at…. why did you exclude oil? would you like to give me Dubai’s economy figures excluding oil? that would just be bloody stupid now wouldn’t it. when you include the oil (and all the other things we get screwed out of) we don’t have any defecit.
what has a population of 5 million have to do with anything? has Norway failed to be a country because greater Manchester has more people? or are you just talking nosense again? Norway is one of the richest countries in the world, with a population similar to scotlands, and about the same amount of oil. they never had a neighbour ten times their size bleeding them dry though.
what has making Gaelic an official language got to do with anything? you’re just a small-minded little englander with dreams of colonisation. The primary language used in Scotland is Scots. The reason so few people speak Gaelic here is because of hundreds of years of English occupation systematically trying to get rid of it (along with scots). either you’re aware of this and being deliberately antagonistic, or you’re just plain ignorant. which is it?
if we’re so damn poor, such a drain on Britains resources, why are they so damn determined to keep hold of us? doesn’t make any sense, does it? it’s almost as if oil is actually valuable, and the people in control of the numbers distort them to suit.
regardless of the economic arguments, i’d gladly be poorer to be rid of the likes of you and your attitude Jim. we’re all well fed up of it here.
@James Why is it that so many Scots think it is crazy for us to want to break free from Europe yet they want independence from the UK?
Is that not hypocritical?
You then want to join the EU giving up that independence, do you not think that strange, or is it just an excuse to try and get another referendum?
We have had 3 years of messing about over leaving the EU and I think even if you had a referendum and it was to leave the UK you would have as many problems, with people trying to undermine the vote.
It would be crazy for Boris to allow another referendum at the moment and anybody with half a brain would realise that, allowing another referendum for Scotland (should they vote for independence) would cause the UK severe problems negotiating with the EU.
The timing is all wrong and the recent election results do not show that the Scots have changed their minds. The SNP should concentrate on more important issues and leave another referendum to a more suitable time.
Good point, yes it is massively hypocritical to shout about “taking back control” from the EU while simultaneously denying Scotland that right, and imposing Westminster’s will on us when we clearly don’t want it. the EU never acted in such a way against Britain as England has acted against Scotland. you’d sure know about it if they had, i’d want to leave the EU if they had.
(e.g. if the EU had taken 200 miles of English channel and declared it French territory, stolen £160 million of grant money destined for England and sent it to France instead, just for two examples off the top of my head)
nobody is ruled from the EU, that’s just nonsense. you don’t give up independence by joining the EU. if you think you do, i’d gladly be as independent as France, Germany, Italy, etc, as opposed to being as independent as Gibralter.
“for Boris to allow….”
nub of the matter right there. Boris is a ballon-headed idiot, how would you feel if the EU turned around now and said “na there’s been too much faffing around, Britain, we’re not allowing you to leave now”?
yeah, exactly. Boris can shove it.
– Boris came to visit Scotland on his campaign tour, allegedly. he spoke to about six die-hard tory voters behind closed doors. does this man represent a country he’s scared to step foot in? i don’t think so.
the timing is actually ideal, or was. we could have remained in the EU rather than being dragged out and then back in. it’s bad for England to have their cash cow vanish when they’re determined to commit economic suicide, but that won’t be our problem any longer.
Scots Wa hay
I dont hate scotland
I love scotland
thats why I dont want it to go down the pan with the insane anti english bigoted independance
No you don’t love Scotland, if you did you wouldn’t be on here constantly (and wrongly) going on about how small, crap, poor, worthless she is.
if you loved Scotland you’d take the time to actually read into these things and see what’s going on, rather than just being a bloody small minded idiot.
there a reason you started that with “Scots wa’ hae”? or was it genuine stupidity and mindless racism on your part?
@ james I think your proving my point about bigotry
how do personal insults strengthen your argument ?
by the way you quote Norway as a success story of a small nation
their biggest trading partner is the United Kingdom from which you want independence ?
I’m not calling you small minded because you’re English, i’m calling you small minded because of your small-mindedness, that’s not bigotry it’s observation.
again, what is your point???
you don’t have any point, it’s just small minded nonsense. again.
Norway’s biggest trading partner is the UK. Norway are also independent of the UK if you hadn’t noticed.
the UK’s biggest trading partner is the EU, but you want to leave the EU.
you don’t have any point, your statements make little or zero sense, you believe you’re funny but nobody’s laughing. when called out on any of a million nonsense ramblings you fail to refute any of them and fall back on calling Nicola Sturgeon names. the bigotry is all yours Jim.
james insults dont make a credible argument for scots independance
what I think ,,or who I am ,will have no effect at all on independence or the results
fact is being part of the UK is good for Scotland
however idiotic, small minded ,or English I am
You’re finally right about one thing at least, insults don’t make a good case for independence.
I (and others) have made many, many good cases for independence, the point i’m getting at now, is you simply cannot see or hear the good cases, because of your small-mindedness. if you were actually open to debate and made sense occasionally i wouldn’t resort to insulting your intelligence. if you display a profound lack of intelligence then i may well comment upon that.
However you’re straight back to being wrong again. you live here, so you get a vote, therefore what you think does have a material effect, the same effect as everyone else. if you have no intention of using that vote why are you even here moaning?
if you’re going to come on here and constantly, repeatedly, shamelessly and wrongly pour scorn on the country i love then i will call you on it. when all you have to respond with is “nicola’s small, scots wa hae!” then i shall call you an idiot, because you are.
@James We have lots of laws implemented by the EU that we have to abide by.
You don’t have a choice to have another referendum as you are ruled by Westminster, we are not ruled by the EU. We have to abide by the laws of Westminster and we had the chance to vote leave, we took it. Had the result been for a remain, like the Scots, we would not have got another chance. Not our fault you Scots did not have the balls to leave when you got the chance!!!!
Why do you not respect the vote, 55% of Scots voted to remain as part of the UK and 55% choose not to vote for your “Funny Little Thing”….
this scottish nationalisation thing is becoming a joke
The 2011 Scottish Census found that more than 150 languages other than English are used in Scottish homes.
making Gaelic an official language of scotland is just flag waving
more people in scotland speak polish or urdu than gaelic
heres some facts stu [how does scotland pay for Independence]
scotland’s notional deficit stood at £12.6bn or 7% of GDP, including North Sea oil revenues, compared with the UK’s total £23.5bn deficit, which includes Scotland’s figure. The UK deficit is equivalent to 1.1% of its GDP.
Total state spending in Scotland was £1,661 higher per person than the UK average at £75.3bn, while tax receipts were £307 less per head than the UK average, at £62.7bn. Excluding oil revenues, the deficit exceeded £14bn, equal to 22.5% of tax revenues.
@tyler, literally got 10 minutes for lunch so going to keep it short.
I won’t bother going over the same old ground with you and getting the same response.
your “Funny Little Thing” – really?
“Project fear is not dead, it is alive and well in Scotland and being used by the SNP” – Wahhahahaha!
No comment about Hadrian’s wall? or the question of if there is to be no hard border in Ireland why there should be one between Scotland and England?
@jim, I could go and search out figures from a pro-independence site somewhere and cut and paste it in and show you the opposite of what you have written and pretend I know everything about everything but that will not change either of our opinions on this.
I agree too with what James has said; Why would we cut out oil? Same bemusement at Gaelic?
Anything on England being given that democratic right to vote on whether they want to stay part of the “Union” too, as well as Wales and Northern Ireland?
@Stu Not my “Funny Little Thing” I wouldn’t have voted for her, but then I am not Scottish.
@ stu & james
who excluded oil ?
scotland’s notional deficit stood at £12.6bn or 7% of GDP, “INCLUDING” North Sea oil revenues
and if greta thunberg has her way its worthless anyhow
One of the reason that the SNP will never actually achieve independence under Nicola is the complete rubbish they come out with.
The Official Language in “Scotland is Scots” …please what complete nonsense, it is English and it has been for CENTURIES.
Sturgeon knows fine well she is not going to get an indyref2, but she has to be seen to make a lot of noise or the extremes in the SNP will have her out on her ear.
A few marchs, a few bold statements on TV we have seen it all before., it has become a total snooze fest.
Plus the SNP do not care about being in the EU the whole thing was just the latest excuse for independence. Half of the 1M in Scotland who voted to leave the EU (another 1M Nicky ignores) are SNP voters.
Do you know what before 2014 I had nothing against the SNP, since then their behaviour has been a national disgrace, they do not talk for the majority they play the politics of grievance, she has proven to be undemocratic and a tin pot tyrant.
Does anyone think if Sturgeon had won the OFFICIAL referendum in 2014 she would give anyone who voted NO a second chance, answer NOT a chance.
The worst thing is Scotland could become a independent country it has a small population and an awful lot of resources. Things like the currency all that does not bother me in the slightest.
I just do not want Scotland to be run by a bunch of idiots, grievance peddlers like the SNP and it is fortunate the majority and the ones with common sense see straight through the SNP (the very ones that would make Scotland you would need to make a independent Scotland work).
who said the official language is Scots?
if you’re referring to what i said, it was actually “The primary language used in Scotland is Scots.” which is significantly different, and entirely accurate.
– also to say the official language is Scots would not be incorrect either, we have several officail languages, of which English is one, and Scots another.
i’ve said this to you before, you don’t seem to have taken it in.
if Scotland gets independence, the SNP basically vanish. the next election here after independence will be fought entirely by Scottish parties, not English parties with a branch office vs the SNP. the independence argument from the SNP will have disappeared, and we’ll have a wide choice of left, right, or centrist parties to choose from. if you want rid of the SNP then independence is the quickest way to go about it.
a few marches? the marches aren’t run by the SNP, they generally don’t even attend, they’re (mostly) all under one banner, nothing at all to do with the SNP.
there are several grievances to peddle, and so they should be peddling them.
i don’t know where the tin pot tyrant nonsense is coming from, do you have any example at all other than you don’t want indy?
“Does anyone think if Sturgeon had won the OFFICIAL referendum in 2014 she would give anyone who voted NO a second chance, answer NOT a chance. ”
– If Sturgeon had ran her campaign entirely on keeping Scotland in the EU, gained independence, then decided to pull Scotland out of the EU anyway, yes i think there’s a very good chance there would be a second referendum.
I was going to say that debates can be heated and we can all agree to disagree, that’s a debate. When it starts to become personal and “aggressive” (if that’s the right word) or even just saying things to provoke a reaction, it may well be time to draw a deep breath, sit back and reflect. Nobody will change anybody else’s opinion if we are “fighting” about it – I WAS going to say that – and then agent provocateur tyler came back 😉
Happy “debating” everyone – I’m outta here!
Divided Brexit Britain… and now we even get “divided” readers in comment section here. Go out for a walk. Your comments became unreadable 10 replies ago and make no sense anylonger.