Share:
POST
TWEET
SHARE
SHARE
EMAIL

CWU respond to Royal Mail request to delay strikes until 2020

By Chris Dawson October 30, 2019 - 10:04 am

We have seen the CWU respond strongly to Royal Mail’s letter offering negotiation with no pre-conditions in exchange for a promise not to call posties out on strike before Christmas. The CWU don’t seem particularly enamoured with the offer, claiming the deal had previously been offered but Royal Mail decided to wait for the mediators report first.

The CWU claim that Royal Mail have rejected recommendations from the report with the CWU claiming that this make it impossible for talks to resolve the issue.

That the mediator’s report is now out means that the last two steps of the mediation process are now underway:

  • If either party is unable to accept the mediators recommendations then a further 2 week period is prescribed for further negotiations. The disagreeing party is expected to advise the reasons for rejecting the recommendations and their alternative suggestions.
  • If by this stage agreement hasn’t been met then the parties will write to each other to notify of their intentions. It is at this point that the CWU could notify Royal Mail of their lawful intention to call for strikes.

We can be pretty certain that if the two sides don’t come to an agreement in the next few days and weeks that the CWU will move forward with their ballot mandate and call for strike action, potentially as soon as over the Black Friday period and then in the run up to Christmas.

“Royal Mail Group’s position in this dispute is born out of dogma and raised on deceit. Today’s press release is a total sham designed to undermine the CWU and any prospect of an agreement.

The ‘significant step’ they refer to was actually proposed by the CWU on the 8th October 2019. That offer was to move immediately from mediation to formal negotiations with the proposal that the CWU would not give any notice to take industrial action for effectively six weeks, at which point we would reflect on the genuine nature of the negotiations.

RMG rejected that offer in preference to wait for the external Mediator’s report. They refused to meet all last week and only offered a 4 hour slot this week.

Their letter referred to in their press release was emailed late yesterday after 17.00hrs and was the subject of a press release before we met today. Ask yourself, is this the actions of people trying to resolve this dispute? Equally today they have rejected significant recommendations from the external Mediator’s report making it impossible for talks to resolve all issues.

We will consult with the CWU Executive tomorrow and determine our response.”
– Terry Pullinger, Deputy General Secretary (Postal), CWU

  • Toby
    2 months ago

    Guess we will start planning to route as many of our sales through other couriers then… Not going to sit around waiting for a strike to disappoint our customers and mess us around. Strike by all means… but don’t cut off your nose to spite your face, when a few weeks delay could make alot of difference.
    Good luck with those profits this year… im sure we won’t be the only ones making plans to side step RM at this bumper time of year.

    • KT
      2 months ago

      Toby, the CWU are not in the job for profit. Rico is trying to strong arm his way through the union to destroy every RM employees terms and conditions. Strike is the last option and no CWU member intends to disrupt customers business at the busiest time of year. But RM chiefs have give us no option.

    • Paul
      2 months ago

      If RMG sat down with CWU weeks ago we wouldnt be in this mess ,do you think that postmen want to strike before christmas …no we dont ,but this is our future we are fighting for.You just have to have a look what a mess Rico has left the parcels firms in Germany ,,and the conditions them workers have to work under now,
      We are fighting for our futures ….thanks
      Paul ,concerned postman Warrington

    • Paula
      2 months ago

      We don’t take strike action lightly… But we are in danger of losing a lot more than just pay….the service will be slashed by Rico and you will be looking elsewhere to ship your goods….but don’t diss the honest hard working posties….we don’t get rewarded like the bosses, for our hard work, believe me, we earn every penny of our wages!

    • Michael
      2 months ago

      I don’t get it. I’m not familiar with the situation between the postal company and the unions, but I am familiar with the real world.

      I understand that the threat of a strike carries a lot of negotiating weight against the company. But wouldn’t a Christmas strike be even more dire for the workers?

      The Post Office would clearly lose money but it would probably also lose long-term business customers.

      If the Post Office loses profits now then it has less money to pay staff now – but of even greater significance is that if it loses commercial customers long-term then the staff have a dire long term future .

      So the threat of a strike seems to hurt both sides – perhaps the workers even more than the company’s medium senior term management ?

    • Jim
      2 months ago

      Profits are for shareholders to benefit from. How blind some people can be to the removal of working conditions when a saving of a few pence or a dividend is offered to them. Just because you are in a good place doesn’t mean your kids will have a job. You need big money to retire just ask Nico, he doesn’t have enough. Mail centre is the easy life, I’ve worked in a few, driven Artics for Parcelforce and now on delivery had to have months of with bad feet. We need to fight this.

    • Monty
      1 month ago

      Toby we don’t want to strike but unless we do rm will kill our jobs,they want to eventually get rid of 20% of delivery staff and increase delivery spans to 6 hours or so, that 5 days a week is not practical and will have long term physical effects on staff,we walk every where as bikes have gone and our suffering with bad knees ,ankles etc already! We walk 9-10 miles a day and any increase is just not acceptable,they have gone back on the original agreement already and want to get rid of thousands off jobs,They also want new recruits to start on zero hours contracts and shift parcels to afternoon deliveries and make posties on foot do more so unless we have a proper agreement they will shaft us!

    • John macrae
      1 month ago

      The last thing postal workers want to do is strike , we had a agreement in place with management called the four pillars and now the management reneged on that and wanted to change everything that was agreed!! We are trying to save our jobs and futures!! The general public need to be aware of this

  • Christopher Brazier
    2 months ago

    Can we still legally strike now that there’s a General Election imminent on 12th December 2019? Or would it be deemed unlawful? I do hope that we can strike and show RMG that we really mean business! I am a CWU Unit Rep in Bristol.

    • 2 months ago

      we can always ”LEGALLY” strike
      but when the courts are on the side of theboys at the top….
      they’re just not gonna allow it

  • 2 months ago

    Rico is going ahead with his cunning Teutonic skullduggery whatever the cost
    he has come here to win and get what he wants anyway.
    I’m not sure strike action is gonna help with an attitude like his.
    maybe even unofficial action is the way
    it would be a last hurrah! anyway

  • Colin
    2 months ago

    Our vote is completely legal bring it on Colin london

  • Nihal
    2 months ago

    This guy will go or removed from royal mail,you will see he is not fit for leader, his intention his own profit and I am not letting him to have it.Bring it on.

  • Phil
    2 months ago

    Pullingers mandate is strike …strike …strike, will he lose any money… why not have a ban on overtime, that would be just as damaging as our office would come to a standstill within 3 days, and NO ONE will lose money…Pullinger had been itching for a strike the minute this guy stepped on as CEO, our competitors will be rubbing their hands, and it will cause irreparable damage to our business…Royal mail….RIP

    • Simon Smith
      2 months ago

      That fine if you are full time part timer,s will suffer

    • Billy
      2 months ago

      Never mind an overtime ban if we don’t stick together and win the battle from Rico Back you will not have a job nevermind overtime.

    • Jim
      2 months ago

      Head Office staff do not get paid when Industrial Action is taken.

    • Steve
      2 months ago

      Think an overtime ban could be a good idea especially if you include extended delivery so people are leaving in what they can’t do on the day within their time. I and my partner have a duty that takes us over our time every day and often take lapsing on top and claim the following day. An overtime ban that included extended delivery would leave lots of small amounts of mail spread over the delivery area which would be very costly logistically ( in terms of time ) to deliver. But if we have to strike then we must as Rico Back is intent on carrying through his hatchet job on the business no matter what – low pay, hire and fire, 0 hours contracts. He’s already been paid about £8.5 million for less than 2 years in the job, so expect he doesn’t really care what the outcome is for the company, people and businesses affected.

  • Janes
    2 months ago

    Am a postman and I think this going to cost us, we in a losing battle strike and we lose customers, don’t strike and they steam roll the company, I feel I be out of a job in 5 years max anyway the way this job going. End up being another city link. Can’t move with the times. I voted to strike and happy I did but in the end it cost me my job .

    • Phil
      2 months ago

      So how much will you suffer if we strike, a lot more than an hour or 2 !!!!!

    • David
      2 months ago

      How do part timers suffer?!? Overtime is just that and you should never base your earnings on overtime. If you cannot afford to live on your basic earnings whether you are P/T or F/T then you should look for alternative employment!

  • Christopher
    2 months ago

    Phil, wake up and smell the coffee mate!!! Can you not see that Rico wants to asset strip the business and BREAK it to BITS!!! For self greedy gain. I am a unit CWU Rep at a Bristol DO, contact me if you want to get Educated!

  • Adrian Rennocks
    2 months ago

    Not once have terms and conditions been mentioned. Royal Mail have never said they are going to attack this or give zero hour contracts. Without Royal Mail the CWU will cease to exist and vice versa. Reality was staff ghosted overtime for years , and now they have to work all paid hours like the rest of us do. Huge pay rises over many years and best terms and conditions in the country.

    • James
      2 months ago

      And we should be apologetic for that , for what reason exactly?

    • Phil
      2 months ago

      So where has he declared this plan of action , Parcel force, will not lose any terms or conditions of employment….what will we gain by striking..please educate me, !!!

    • Phil
      2 months ago

      Spot on…what other company will pay 38 hours a week for working less that 30 CWU are saying PDA data is being used to spy on posties that finish early…SO WHAT ,its called working your contracted hours your getting paid for, I know staff in our office are making one and a half to 2 hours A DAY, you finish an hour early in Tesco, you will get docked an hour

    • Joe
      1 month ago

      We also lost a heck of a lot of money when they took are door to door money away we never had that replaced and we have not had massive pay increases

  • Dean
    2 months ago

    Postie dont need to go on strike to cause havoc, all we need to do is not scan 2d barcodes for track items or signed for items refuse to use our PDAs for a few days work to rule. Royal mail systems would crash with customer complaints, public still get their parcels why royal mail try to track thousands of parcels. Postman dont lose money with strike action and keep the public on side. Plus Rico is a c u next tuesday

  • Nick Porter
    2 months ago

    I’ve been an Lgv driver for 30 years with the Royal mail yet another person from abroad tries to come in and with another golden handshake take over and disregards all previous agreements selling off parts of the company for his own profit I’m proud to stand up and fight for my job and proud of the CWU it’s a shame there’s not many unions left in this country that will do that its about time the British public realise that we the workers want to keep it as the Royal Mail and not sell it off to a foreign company

    • Stuart
      1 month ago

      Hate to break it to you but Royal Mail is effectively a foreign company since it was privatised, the shareholders from all around the world have a stake in it. It also means it can be bought by another company DHL or Amazon for example, in which case it would change radically.

  • Andrew young
    2 months ago

    Almost as strong as the great miners union. What ever happened to those guys

  • Al
    2 months ago

    At least i have hermes to fall back on though obviously i’d prefer to use royal mail

    • Jamie
      2 months ago

      Hermes must be the worst courier company in this country. High turnaround of poorly paid, self employed staff using their own vehicles on zero hr contracts. If Back had his way, this is what Royal Mail would become .

  • Philip
    2 months ago

    we can’t afford to strike the truth is we can’t afford not to , if we are to stand any chance of a future. To be a young new starter in Royal Mail and to stand a hope of getting a mortgage or starting a family, job security,pay and conditions are imperative . We must stand together and do what we all know has to be done. Let’s protect the new generation of of Royal Mail workers and let them have a future

  • Darren Turner
    2 months ago

    Rico… come on crush these living in the past communists

    • 2 months ago

      Rico Back was payed £6m to move up in Royal Mail. The equivalent of one years wages for 210 full-time postmen! That’s on top of his salary! We just need a living wage and that is all we are trying to protect

    • Stuart
      1 month ago

      It’s hardly communism when the postal service is enshrined in law, all the other couriers operate on an uneven playing field.

  • Growler
    2 months ago

    The clowns that think using a courier will be the answer have obviously not used them a lot. Parcels and packages left on doorsteps or chucked over gates willy nilly. I see it all the time. The courier-drivers mostly only get paid on completion of a delivery so if your not at home to take receipt good luck, you might find the items been ” delivered” to never be seen again.

  • 2 months ago

    Maggot man says bring it ob

  • Colin H
    2 months ago

    It came up on my PDA today that if we don’t go on strike before Christmas Rico will enter in to serious negotiations, Does Rico think we are stupid, why can’t he enter in to serious negotiations now its not like Christmas pressure is going to affect him or he’s going to be rushed off his feet , the guy should be ashamed of himself and so should his stooges, You’re in Britain now Rico and over here we do things differently.

  • Burger
    2 months ago

    Im glad i retired in july after 39yrs as a postie the job is being rundown with impossible targets rounds getting bigger and they want you to speed up but you have to scan loads of parcels that slow you down bosses coming from supermarkets to run delivery offices absolutley clueless about royal mail but can tell you the price of a bunch of bananas i support the strike and you have to win it otherwise you will get steamrollered how can you be run by a guy who lives in switzerland and only works 26 days a year

  • Si
    2 months ago

    Strike is not the answer change is royal mail is one of the most unfaire places to work for .
    If you don.t fit in or don,t stand up for yourself and part time you are treated like crap .

  • Tony
    2 months ago

    Strike and destroy the company, don’t strike and lose terms and conditions. We lose either way, unless we box clever. Not scanning items, go slows and so on.

    • 2 months ago

      Maybe Rico wants to destroy Royal mail so that his compatriots at Deutsche Post can take over!

  • Si
    2 months ago

    This site is cencored

    • Phil
      2 months ago

      And as I said earlier, WORK TO RULE, just stop any form of overtime will bring chaos to offices up and down the country without a days pay being lost

  • Russ
    2 months ago

    Dean gave a good suggestion which would harm royal mail and no one else a doodle idea I’m a postman it is a great idea

    • AnneB
      1 month ago

      Dean’s idea might affect Royal Mail but would certainly affect those of us who use RM to ship our orders. The Scan feature has cut down on the scammers who pretend they haven’t had their orders. As soon as posties announce that they will not be scanning anything then heaven help us – we’ll get loads of Items not received claims!!! It won’t affect RM from a cash point of view as those of us on C&D contract cannot claim for undelivered orders. The ones that will really suffer will be small businesses like ourselves as we will end up with no proof of delivery and loads of refunds
      . For us there is no viable alternative to RM – we think the service we get from the posties is excellent but DEAN – please try and think of something else!!

  • 2 months ago

    Well done modern twats,put down every Union and all they’ve achieved. The Jarrow marchers turn in their graves, if you want a crap job,be treated like shit etc just carry on talking shite. Miners or Maggie, who do you vote for, go and see the mining villages she destroyed sure you’ll be happy.

    • Phil
      2 months ago

      Tell me….what good did striking do the miners….did they keep their jobs..did they bring down the government, did they keep all the pits open, we haven’t heard what plans Rico Back has, until we do let’s see what he has to say,

  • 2 months ago

    Reflect! To a time when John Robert’s was head honcho at RM.
    Sir Tom Wastson did his bit then Alan Leighton arrives on, was it £50k part time, then Adam Crozier on mega bucks followed by Moia(?) Green again on mega remuneration, (was’nt some of it returned?), leading the business into privatisation- remember the share price then? Who’s run off with the Gold? Now the current incumbent has his own agenda. For better or worse avoiding issues now is storing up conflict for the future. Have any of them been Postmen/women?
    Get all these previous & the current Leader/s in front of an impartial Select Committee – WITH TEETH – include the CWU, & sort matters for the long term benefit of Customers & the Business. What’s not to like?

  • Martin
    2 months ago

    I’m RM newbie and only 2 years with business. Also 2 years member of CWU.
    I have never seen company so screwd by own employees, CWU to my opinion just protecting people who don’t want to work and allow lazy and self centric people to run the show and people who work really well can’t be rewarded because of “equality” . Management is threaten by CWU breathing on their neck and disable them from improvement.
    Now who want to educate me and reply that you are doing your best at work and need CWU to protect you… BS…. If you work hard and do your best every manager will recognise that…. On the other hand if you abusing system and just want to do as little as possible then you need CWU and well done to Rico for getting rid of this in RM

    • Baggy Boy
      2 months ago

      What Planet are you on, 2 years on and still not learnt anything about the culture of being a postie.
      Your comment sounds like a manager talking or a Brown Noser..
      Final comment in bigging up Rico maybe you should close the door on your way out.

    • Hateforthepullinger
      1 month ago

      Totally agree with Martin, and I’ve worked for royal mail for 19 years. Is pullinger going to lose any money, don’t think so. The CWU are a waste of space!

  • Claire
    2 months ago

    Not scanning items ia a stackable offence as your name is on the pda. Hence even zero scanning is also a disciplinary. Strike for the terms and conditions which the union have negotiated to get us at precent. I believe competitors should use us as a example not royal mail following zero tax paying competitors. We are a 500rys company.

    • Phil
      2 months ago

      Not working overtime is not a sackable offence….but will cause massive disruption without disipline threat

  • Harry Harris
    2 months ago

    Royal Mail employees cannot continue to work and behave as if this was 1970.
    Amazon is creating its own delivery army and, whatever you think about the way it operates, it will work.
    CWU chiefs should bear this in mind when directing their members to go on strike employees. Look what happened to the Post Office.

  • Mandatory name
    2 months ago

    As a postman in a mail centre an cam assure you everyone here is voting to strike as they don’t want to work more, they take extra 5 minutes either side of a break as “we got to walk to the break room and back” yet you watch them sprint and be out that door in seconds at the end of shift, smoke breaks , talking to every one on to way to a section break. It’s worse than school children, over a 8 hour shift 5 hours of that are actually working, and that’s barely at the minimum pace set.

    Staff treat work as a social experience, not a work place.
    royal mail is 1/3 over staffed, the job requires 3 people as 1 person does 200% of the workload while the other 2 do 50%.

    Royal mail will die as a company, it’s a matter of when not if, and that when is approaching faster each time the union impose these crazy demands.

    As a postman working nights, I can can easily earn nearly 40k a year for a unskilled, no effort job where i go home feeling as fresh as when I left. And I’m the 200% workload Muppet.

    • 2 months ago

      “Staff treat work as a social experience, not a work place.
      royal mail is 1/3 over staffed, the job requires 3 people as 1 person does 200% of the workload while the other 2 do 50%.”

      See how desperate these managers are posing as staff , the real funny bit is the statement about earning 40k a year for nights which isn’t physically possible

    • Unknown
      2 months ago

      I know i,v seen myself people pushing empty york,s around all day. Mail sorter,s sitting down slow timing job. Posty getting away when slow time .it,s a joke and they bitch all the time

    • Youngoose
      2 months ago

      Unskilled no effort job 40k a year feeling fresh after a shift at least you got the muppet bit correct try pounding the streets everyday bag burstin with parcels pda never oot yer hand. lapsing. out in all weathers shall I go on u are clearly mental

    • Mandatory name
      2 months ago

      40k a year is possible.

      I’m on a full time contract including a 14 hour sunday a day as a coach on a machine, And nights for the rest. 2 SA’s taking me up to 47 hours a week. Easy 40k a year.

      Now my last rota was night shift mech with coaching monday-friday, again 32k ish my old Sunday as pushed it to nearly 40k,

      And I agree with you actual posties, you do get the rough end of the stick, mail centre staff haven’t a clue how easy they have it.

      It’s the mail centres they need to make savings in, they have people who literally cannot do the job they sign for, but we can’t replace or get rid of them as the union won’t let the management, so we just get deadweight dragging the rest down, some staff when they go off sick are literally not replaced as they do so little it’s actually more productive when they’re off, the management have their hands tied, we complain all the time they don’t pull their own weight.

      Don’t get me wrong I support the union, have done for years, nearly 2 decades. Striked, was even a rep for 6 months until I realised how much people abuse the system.

      Too many staff abuse the system and are ruining it for the rest of us.

  • Burger
    2 months ago

    Martin you dont know shit like u say u have only been in the job for 2 yrs comeback in another 10yrs and lets see how you feel then if royal mail is still going in 10 yrs time

  • David Lockett
    2 months ago

    Dont worry about public opinion. You’ve got to ignore that when going down the strike route. Theres no point doing it half hearted, OT ban, work to rule etc. Full on strike action at the most effective time of the year is the only way forward.

    • Phil
      2 months ago

      Yes to lose work to our competitors…for the public to lose faith in us….what’s to stop the management to lock us out and only let back in on their terms

  • 2 months ago

    The question we all have to answer is do we stand up and be counted or rollover and get crushed……better to live 1 day as a lion than a 1000yrs as a lamb…..

  • 2 months ago

    Why has no-one mentioned that the managers union has given us its full backing on striking, unlike previous industrial action

  • Frontliner
    2 months ago

    As a RM employee, I have my Good day and my Bad day. If you contribute to the CWU and have worked for RM for a long time then I can understand why you just want it easy all the time. But when we are asked to pull together. their are to many old dogs that want it easy.
    If you are not willing to pull together over the xmas period and consider all the disruption that We are about to cause on the people that rely on us, then shame on you All.

    I think the CWU is using xmas to its advantage. But when we have to clear the back log are they willing to get rid of the old dogs that are causing all the problems.

    If you want to STRIKE….
    Then please do it after Xmas..

    • Steve
      2 months ago

      If it’s not for the cwu and old dogs you would not have not have the good conditions you take for granted did you even vote?

    • Mambosun
      1 month ago

      I’m sure that these old dogs as you refer to the older workers would love to be offered a redundancy package that they could live on but unfortunately I doubt that will be the case and many will be forced to do what is generally a very strenuous job until state pension age which is now 66 and strange as it may sound to you as you get older you tend to slow down as you will one day find out for yourself
      Is it a bad thing that currently exist in Royal Mail are at least for now better than some industry’s? Or would you prefer zero hours contract and all that goes with it
      Incidentally I worked for Royal Mail for in excess of 40 years so speak from experience l was fortunate enough to have been offered an early retirement package a few years ago, during my last few years in the company the job became unrecognisable from the one I joined and from what I hear it is now a hell of a lot worse and will continue heading in that direction so some sort of stand or threat of it maybe the only way to stem the tide hopefully you are not to naive to realise this.

  • Steve
    2 months ago

    Just look at asda worker’s.
    You’ll work martini hours.
    Any time
    Any place
    Any where when we tell you

  • Sue
    2 months ago

    Well you should be thankful you work in a mail centre, I have worked on delivery for 30 years, I am lucky if I have time to stop for a break, and if I do, I don’t have a canteen which is subsidized on price, I have to sit in a van, with no toilet facilities, and then you get comments about ‘postie’ sitting around doing nothing. As for finishing early, the people who do in my delivery office, start up to an hour before their time, with no extra pay, just so they can get their deliveries done, We are under staffed and manager hold mail back at least once a week, as they prioritize tracked parcel as thats what their bonuses are paid on. As for 40k a year, lucky you, I’m not on 25k a year, and that’s what universal credit is based on.
    RMG was in profit and doing well, until Rico Black took over and got his big welcome bonus, to which he paid no tax or NI contributions as he lives in Switzerland.

  • Burger
    2 months ago

    Spot on sue thats what its like in delivery offices and the bosses still want you to do more flexing

  • Crippled ninja
    2 months ago

    To the guy who works in the mail centre,have you ever been on the street for 4-5 hours a day??have you ever delivered a d2d that you get paid for??your in the easiest jobs in the company and many guys in the Do’s dnt think mail centre workers are real posties anyway as you for do what we do,you should think on see when the job cuts come you guys in the mail centre are 1st to go as you say to many people not doing enough

  • Fred
    2 months ago

    RM have asked for the review of the USO to be brought forward. Why? Perhaps they want to do away with the USO and cut approx. 20,000 jobs to fund the “never satisfied” shareholders?

    • Phil
      2 months ago

      We strike, we take double mail next day, maybe put in 30 hours pressure, suddenly we can deliver 5 days a week …and you want to keep the USO, great excuse to get rid of the 6 day week delivery !!!!

  • Christopher
    2 months ago

    So Phil what is your solution to this mess we are in in CAUSED BY BACK AND THE BULLY BOARD!!!!!! Roll over and be tickled or fight for your PRINCIPLE!!! And for your information to correct you regarding Parcel Force if greedy Back had is way is thus:- their contracts would remain exactly the same for a period of one year and then Back could do whatever the **** with them, FACT!!!

    • Phil
      1 month ago

      Chris, I initially said that an overtime ban would be just as damaging as a strike, i didnt say roll over. with NO ONE losing money, our office pays out about 600 hours a week on overtime, we would have between 10 and 20 jobs A DAY on the floor..what I would also like to ask is what EXACTLY has Rico Back, said about what his plans are, or is it all CWU assumptions..

  • Peter
    2 months ago

    As a retired delivery postman ,I can say that indoor staff in large offices have always had it easy,like many managers they are surplus to requirement. They should be redeployed to the front line to take the pressure off delivery staff. Having said that the public and customers should be alarmed at what Rico is planning,nobody is going to win once he gets his way and rides off into the sunset with his pockets full and the taxman can’t touch him. Do the public think couriers will deliver Christmas or birthday cards ,not a chance there is no money in that.

  • Jim
    2 months ago

    Keep the red flag flying guys
    As you march over the cliff edge

  • Fed up with Royal Mail Strikes
    1 month ago

    We are already looking elsewhere to ship our orders – Amazon Logistics are very favourable now and can take all our large letters, small parcels and large parcels if needed to avoid the strike, and they provide full tracking too – cheaper than Royal Mail for like for like service.

    This switch is triggered by the need to avoid Royal Mail disruption. We can not afford to receive negative feedback from lots of disappointed customers and the cost of shipping additional packages to replace those that have not arrived after a few days – that always happens when Royal Mail strikes.

    Once we switch – why would anyone move back to a Royal Mail?

    I’d understand a strike if they were not ALWAYS timed for maximum disruption to Royal Mail customers.

    Why would any business want to do business with another company where the employees deliberately stop working at the most important time of year which is a make or break for online retailers – when there are now credible and affordable alternatives with better/cheaper tracking too! Royal Mail will continue to shed customers and that will inevitably lead to staff reductions…

    • 1 month ago

      can you give any examples of Amazon logisitics prices?

      what are they like for an under 100g large letter, and does it cover the whole of the UK?

    • Tony
      1 month ago

      God luck with that, every year (especially this time of year) Amazon can’t cope with the amount they currently get. I’m a postman (of 17 years) and every day I’m delivering Amazon items. If they can provide the service you’re looking for then why am I having to do their jobs daily?

    • Fed up with Royal Mail Strikes
      1 month ago

      I am quoted £1.04 for large letter 3 days delivery, and £1.87 for 24h delivery – both tracked, + VAT.

      A 7KG parcel can be shipped with 24h tracked delivery for the same price as Royal Mail 48 Parcel for 2KG that only has delivery confirmation available at that price.

      They are cheaper than my other couriers too.

      I will try them out with test orders, and of course have asked them who delivers the large letters and what happens with a Royal Mail strike.

      I don’t like the attitude of Royal Mail staff who seem to delight in putting others out of business at the busiest time of year by withholding delivery services that we have paid for, and delaying so significantly (and consequently losing lots too) that we end up having to send a lot more replacements than usual. Why can’t a strike be done at a normal time rather than when it hurts everyone the most? That is vindictive, if they choose to strike and lose pay then everyone else will pay the most for it.

    • Fed up with Royal Mail strikes
      1 month ago

      Amazon spread out their own shipping through various carriers. However their Amazon Shipping service will NOT use Royal Mail for our items shipped through their fully tracked 24h service.

      So when Royal Mail strikes I will be sure to use Amazon’s Next Day delivery for all our Royal Mail post, and don’t expect to switch back as their prices are about the same as Royal Mail 48 which is untracked and not guaranteed and slower.

      Once again I have unsatisfied customers complaining that Royal Mail 48 items are not delivered on time. To provide them next day fully tracked delivery for the same price is a huge bonus.

      I am only looking at alAmazon Shipping because of the threat of strikes – but I like it and can’t see why I wouldn’t move more their way – which ultimately when many sellers do the same will lead to Royal Mail job losses as they lose more market share.

      What then for the posties when the strikes will lead to inevitable job losses?

      In other industries we work out our issues without resorting to striking and if you don’t like it then you are free to get a job elsewhere. That is what most of the working world does.

      Now that we have alternatives to Royal Mail, that are competitive, every strike will eat away at market share and lead to job losses. No 2 ways about it!

  • Shorty Mac
    1 month ago

    Martin the newbie

    What a load of old nonsense…

    Its the agreements the CWU have worked hard for over the years that have have given you the terms and conditions you currently have.

    We even have an agreement that has no compulsory redundancies which means somebody like you with two years in this business have got an above average chance of retaining your job…

    Nothing personal pal but if being a paid up CWU member isn’t for you, and standing shoulder to shoulder with your work colleagues in the face of adversity doesn’t appeal then switch the light off and shut the door behind you..

  • Alex Dodd
    1 month ago

    Regardless of views no business needs disruption to its service just as Amazon introduces the largest threat to the royal mails one remaining profitable part of its business it will probably ever face in the shape of Amazon flex delivery services.

  • jim
    1 month ago

    the CWU
    may have negotiated [held to ransom ] better conditions
    but lost thousands of jobs to other couriers

  • 1 month ago

    Hi, From an outsider looking in, this is my opinion (for what it’s worth), Royal Mail employees are very well paid and enjoy a set of benefits that other employees of other delivery companies would and can only dream of. No one is saying that you don’t work hard, however is not what you are paid to do ??? Also no one is say that delivering mail is not important, however delivering mail is a relatively low skill job, if you feel that strong that your so badly paid, based upon your own skillset, you are all private individuals and can take your labour elsewhere, unless of course your very well paid for your skillset????. It’s very striking to me as soon as a story is on here about Royal Mail strikes, the comment section is bombarded by Royal Mail staff, this doesn’t strike me as an organisation that staff are working flat out 24/7, that just it appears to non-RM staff. Your organisation is no longer a national monopoly and you do not exist in a bubble.

    • Billy
      1 month ago

      Some much people on here making statements with halve the information. Theres is pros n cons to everything in life. Striking is bad for boths sides. No one wants to strike. RMG signed a agreement with the cwu last year and have choosen to not aibied by it and throw it out. Thats the reason for the strike. Yes royal mails jobs are unskilled but it is quite taxing on the body. This should set a standard for the rest of the coutry. No one should be unfairly treated at work in any job. Please stop commenting if you dont understand. Take a step back and atleast try and understand why this not happening.

  • Frank
    1 month ago

    Why do people think posties are overpaid? I get £11 an hour hardly makes me a millionaire!! I walk 11 to 13 miles a day (half a marathon 5 days a week) in all weather . 6 bags of mail a day plus oversized packets I can go to work in morrisons on a checkout for not much less ( probably more if Rico gets his way) so stop your bullshit about posties !! If you think it’s that great apply for a job. Or is it much easier for eBay sellers to rio off the general public with there illegal fake goods? Get real. Your blinded by you self importance and don’t give a dam about anything but your profits, . Well I’m not willing to pull my bollocks out to keep you happy. As far as I’m concerned strike for your jobs now or you might as well get out now for a lot easier job in minimum wage

    • jim
      1 month ago

      too right frank
      nothing is more important to a business than profit
      without profit employees of a business dont have a job

      the CWU wont pay your rent or mortgage arrears if and when you return to work after your strike
      it will be your job with the Royal mail

  • Andrew
    1 month ago

    We are going on strike for a reason, Nothing to do with pay, To many changes more than any other company, Royal mail signed the four pillars agreement which they deny, Apparently there is no money left in the pot but they give this money motivated director seven millions pounds to destroy our company, 97% says it all, so get your act together management.

  • Postie mark
    1 month ago

    It’s about time bullying and harassment stopped at Royal Mail and the fleet of vans are an absolute disgrace. Drivers are forced out in unroadworthy vehicles everyday . It won’t be long till they is a fatality!!! All because the shareholder needs his cut on the back of the postie. I’m not asking for more money but a bullying free and a safe work place is pretty standard. I’ve heard managers tell people to go to the toilet in there own time and I was even told I wasn’t allowed to go for a drink of water!!! You have know idea !!!

  • Frontliner
    1 month ago

    If you work for RM. In any roll. Then ask yourself one thing! “if I owned this company, would I be satisfied with my own performance and are my customers happy?”
    Let us all have a 37 hour working week, but only if we are not pressured into constant confrontations from managers if we have to work more, for free.

    If you are true to RM, then you should have no worries. But you are dishonest, then as a share holder I think that all employees hours should be monitored.

  • Steven
    1 month ago

    At least the miners can say they fought for there jobs. Maggie Thatcher just wanted revenge for what the unions did to Edward Heath in the 70s. Tell me how many banker’s lost there jobs for there incompitance in the financial crash. Most of them were claiming big bonuses again 6 months later. It should also be reported that Rico got away with paying taxes to this country for his massive 8.5 million he has already earned these are the sought of business men this country needs.

    • Jim
      1 month ago

      The miners simply hastened the end of their jobs
      Coal is now considered toxic by climate activists
      Rather than strike the NUM may have better served the workers by negotiating More favourable redundancy
      Terms
      You sldo seem to discount or forget the tens of thousands
      Of workers who have lost their jobs in banking in the last decade

  • Atta
    1 month ago

    For the company to move forward and make a profit for the shareholders it needs to do away with the USO. That is for example a postie having to deliver a single item of mail eg sky leaflet to a farm 5 miles down a dirt track road and wrecking the van in the process just to keep the USO (Universal Service Obligation) protocol. How on earth is a company meant to make money on this type of service whilst paying the postman £11/12 per hour to do so. Also may I add a lot of the ageing workforce needs to be offered a redundancy package to get them moved on as their attitude usually is just to keep going even though they are past caring about the job or their colleagues who carry them.

  • Atta
    1 month ago

    Also way too many managers and deputy managers on big wages when there absolutely is no the need for all of them especially in the mail centre department.

  • 1 month ago

    Speak with the Courier next time something is delivered to you or when asked to acknowledge receipt of a neighbour’s item ….or talk to whoever delivers those non-RM leaflets to you each week…If CHARLES DICKENS was alive today he’d have instant material & storylines !!! (Especially if he got an Xmas seasonal job)
    Remember when Express Dairies & TNT cherry picked packets & letters business from the non-privatised Royal Mail? Not so long ago but all too soon forgotten…
    Some Courier’s vehicles look unroadworthy. Observed & asked a non-RM Courier recently, in an old de-logoed red RM van, as she emerged from a block of flats,’Should’nt you lock-up when you’re so far away’?- there were loose items on the dashboard & seats too- she replied ‘Would never get finished if l did all that.’
    Anyone know how long Rico’s in charge? Will he be sent to the Russian front when it all turns to worms? Come to think of it where’s Moia now…? It’s going belly up…… Can’t ex-postperson Alan Johnson help & lend a hand to sort the whole thing out?
    Is it true RM deliver non-RM items posted Fridays, into the RM network, by Couriers who only operate weekdays?

  • 1 month ago

    Worked in RM for 30 years and nothing will ever change as long as you have a management who want to bully it’s workforce.
    Postmen a postwomen don’t want to strike coming up to Christmas or anytime to lose money, but when you are left with no option then the sad thing is you have to for to keep terms and conditions that goes with the job.

    RM will have no interest in sorting this out only interested in playing stupid game’s to try and make the CWU and workforce look stupid.

    • Phil
      1 month ago

      Do you think Rico will give In if we strike ??? He will be in this for the long haul, then when we go back, he’ll tell us we’ve lost this lost that contract and a great excuse to cut jobs because our workload has diminished

  • Lea
    1 month ago

    I have worked for Royal Mail for over 10 years. I work in Mdec and its a joke sometimes. Just like some staff in the mail centres and some posties, they do the absolute bare minimum. Vast majority of the workforce would not get a job anywhere else. People do ridiculous things, that would be sackable offences normally, but they get away with it. I wouldn’t get anything close to the pay and conditions I get here, in another job.
    I’m a member of the CWU and didn’t even get a card to vote!

  • Darrell Gilmour
    1 month ago

    Toby if you think if Rico Bac gets is way the service you expect will be a shadow of what royal mail is now be lucky if it’s a 4 day service. We will strike to save our jobs.

  • Laz
    1 month ago

    You should abslutely carry on with the strike at xmas time. As I’ve read all the comments, most of the arguments against it, are non-sense.
    Businesses and customers will look for other alternatives to dodge this bullet, that’s for sure, and that will be a loss of RMG, and Rico. If Rico won’t deliver xmas with RM, he will be fired, you can bet on that. He is nothing more than an overpaid greedy clown, look at HIS package, and look at YOURS. 6 million buyout? 2,7 million annual salary? F**K THEM F**K HIM.
    this clown was the employee of a RMG owned company (GLS), he asked for his pocket money, to take the job, and in the end of the day YOU guys have to pay it.
    RMG is skimming you off left and right, they are taking everything piece by piece.
    Have no illusion, if you won’t stand up for yourselves, you will end up as Angard employee with zero hours contract, minimal wage, no pension, cancelled shift, etc…
    I find this extremely sad, for numerous reasons.
    RM was the best postage service i’ve ever used, great tracking, mostly useful customer service, working investigation teams, no hassle with claims, hell, i loved it so much, that I actually went to work there, just to have some insight. (I have my own business, sending hundreds of valueable items per year via RM) It was a great experience (even tho there were a few lazy and clueless individuals).
    Don’t want to change the topic, sorry…if Rico won’t settle with you, RM will lose customers, it will also lose lots of stock value, investors will withdraw, and UK government will be kinda forced to buy it back in order to protect 110 000 jobs and the biggest and most reliable logistic system in the country. That’s a win for both of you and the country.
    You can only lose, if you won’t do anything. You have my support guys, told my local postie today too, lol.

Featured in this article from the Tamebay Guide – companies that can help you grow and manage your business.

Royal Mail

Royal Mail is the leading provider of postal and parcel delivery services in the UK. We deliver to over 230 countries and territories worldwide.

See More Companies >

Recent Comments

37 mins ago
Lee Pearce: Took a look at this and went through the process required: my limit is £10,000.00 If...
15 hours ago
tyler: @Stu: Not sure they quite got a mandate, the SNP only got 45% of the...
16 hours ago
tyler: @jim Not sure of your point, oh yes, got it, you don't have one, as...
23 hours ago
jim: @tyler if you receive a bottle of sour milk do you complain to the milkman...