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eBay calls for sellers to have voice in future trade deals

By Chris Dawson August 29, 2019 - 6:00 am

eBay has today released new data highlighting the contribution of UK small and medium sized businesses to UK exports, and is calling for their voices to be heard in future trade negotiations. Frankly, here at Tamebay we couldn’t agree more. What sellers generally want is to be able to sell anywhere in the world with the minimum of fuss and that means high de minimus thresholds so that consumers aren’t stung for import duties and taxes along with the minimum of goods where import is restricted in different countries.

“I run an interiors boutique and a large proportion of our sales are international, with the majority going to Europe, so understanding what exporting could look like in future is important to me.
 
Brexit has brought a lot of uncertainty. At the moment exporting within Europe is easy and affordable but we don’t yet have detail on how that could change in the future.
 
Right now it feels as though small businesses aren’t involved in the decisions that are taking place. I would like to see the collective voice of small businesses be better heard in the debate over what might happen next.”

– Jade Oliver, Founder of Heavenly Homes & Gardens and eBay seller

The data, which is drawn from the 200,000 UK-based SMEs trading on eBay, shows that in the past 12 months, almost two thirds of eBay’s UK-based sellers have exported products internationally – and export sales have grown more than 25% in the past five years.

The top three export markets for UK SME sellers on eBay – who are connected to millions of buyers in more than 190 countries – are the USA, Germany and France, while Ireland, Italy and Australia also make it into the Top 10 in terms of money spent.

The products generating the highest spend globally are mobile phones, watches and laptops – although the top products differ considerably in the top three markets. Electric hair removal devices take the top spot in UK exports to the USA, Dyson cordless vacuum cleaners are the number one item in exports to France, and exports to Germany are dominated by digital cameras.

Some of the more unique popular UK products exported internationally from the UK include weed killer to France, Warhammer games to Australia, and CDs, DVDs and Blu-Rays to the Philippines, which is the country that has seen the biggest growth in export sales from eBay UK in the past 12 months, with exports growing at over 20% year on year.

eBay is publishing the data to highlight the contribution Britain’s hundreds of thousands of entrepreneurs make to the UK export market – and to make sure that this emerging story of SME-driven international trade is fully understood by policymakers and trade negotiators.

With Brexit scheduled for the 31st of October, eBay is calling for the voices of these entrepreneurial exporters to be heard in debates over future trade deals and for small business to be fully represented in any post-Brexit trade delegations.

“The debate about business in Britain has often ignored the contribution of UK small businesses to international trade. When it comes to the big issues like Brexit, trade deals, and Britain’s economic future, small businesses, which are the lifeblood of the economy, should have a far greater voice.

The reason we’re publishing this data is to show there are small businesses up and down the UK working hard, day in day out, to grow and build their businesses. Through eBay, many have become international exporters for the first time and been able to access new markets. It’s high time the voices of these entrepreneurs are heard.”
– Rob Hattrell, Vice President, eBay UK

We’re not sure how the government will engage with eBay sellers, but eBay have a history of getting a representative delegation of merchants in front of government officials – they have a government relations team who handle this – and Liz Truss has already voiced her support to eBay:

“SMEs are a great driver of the UK’s export success, and this data shows that. It’s more important than ever for British firms to take advantage of the global appetite for quality British products to grow their businesses and create jobs for their local communities.

We will continue to support our SMEs to trade around the world now and after we leave the EU on 31st October and sign new trade deals with our international partners.”
– Liz Truss, Secretary of State for International Trade

Top ten SME export markets in terms of money spent are

  1. United States
  2. Germany
  3. France
  4. Italy
  5. Ireland
  6. Australia
  7. Spain
  8. Sweden
  9. Norway
  10. Netherlands

Top five product categories exported globally from UK SMEs via eBay

  1. Mobile and smartphones
  2. Wristwatches
  3. Laptops and netbooks
  4. Music records
  5. Trainers
  • SAM
    3 weeks ago

    31st October is the start of PEAK trading for many of us. 90% of my E-commerce sales go into the EU. So many good marketplaces are are now available.
    Over the years this is the market I have built my business on. It is simply been more profitable than concentrating on what is a “race to the bottom” UK domestic market.
    Liz Trust just blows hot air and her Government have been a constant hinderance, she will still get her bloated salary and backhanders from her Tory paymasters. Meanwhile I cannot invest in stock in time for PEAK as I do not know if I can sell it. We are under time constraints to get the products delivered and if they are put into customs it makes as uncompetitive overnight compared to similar firms in say Germany or France.
    Am afraid this Right Wing Tory Government does not even notice SMEs. It is only interested in the big fat Corporates ( the very types who have caused the massive inequality just like in the USA and leads to lunatics like Trump in the Oval Office and things like Brexit)…the actual route problem.

    • ifellow
      3 weeks ago

      I think this may even be a good thing, Do you really want masses of stock and no access to the EU market or very expense access with bucket loads of stock.

      In the meantime nothing will change with EU Sellers in the UK and Chinese.

      Id rather have fewer stocks and therefore pay less warehousing, rather than having a ton of stock and trying to shift it quickly and probably at a loss in the UK Market.

      Maybe its a blessing in disguise, id rather than the money banked than a lot of stocks at the moment. Especially when you UK offerings are carried by EU sales and domestic demand is so weak and prices skewed.

    • ifellow
      3 weeks ago

      Ps The high street crisis hasn’t gone away and will get worse, but the next crisis will be in businesses like ours. We are already struggling, unsupported, or protected after suffering man shocks, around 40% of my trade is with the EU and once it’s gone, I will cut stocks around 80% and warehousing and turn into a hobby business.

      We can’t survive in the UK market alone and eBay sales to UK consumers are poor, in terms of quality, often clearance, end of the line, damaged stocks and money-losing sales.

  • Jonah
    3 weeks ago

    eBay might want to let sellers have a voice on their own website first……

  • ifellow
    3 weeks ago

    90% of my sales goto to Chinese sellers. That’s my voice, maybe actually make them pay their tax first, rather than screwing us over as has been the case for just 10 Years in not more.

    Maybe if eBay Page 1 wasnt 90% Chinese listings id care.

  • 3 weeks ago

    Between 650 MPs and 750 MEP’s they could not come up with something that worked for everybody, so how is giving a voice to 200,000 SME’s going to add any clarity, with them all wanting different things from a deal?

    Unfortunately it takes two parties or more to do a deal, the EU do not want us to leave and are being obstinate to try and force us to stay.

    People say we can’t leave without a deal, the EU refuse to do a deal that works for us, so the only option is a No Deal.

    • 3 weeks ago

      The UK voted to leave. It is not up to the EU to change their rules. Stop trying to blame them for “not giving us a deal”. Why should they change their rules just to make the lies that we were fed at the referendum become true. The EU worked to the red lines that WE provided and came up with a solution. WE then decided to change these rules and insist something that WE came up with was no longer tenable. This is all down to us for deciding to commit national suicide, and now that people are finding out you cannot get your cake and eat it, you are blaming the wrong side when you should be blaming those that promised things that could not be delivered.

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Robin I think it is a really poor show if 1,300 responsible people can not get together and have sorted this out in the three years they have had.

      Unfortunately the real truth is that the EU did not want us to leave and was going to do as much as they could to try and stop Brexit, much the same as the Remain side have. If that is going to cause us to leave with a No Deal then that is who people should look to blame.

      The only deal on the table has been voted against 3x and is deemed not acceptable.

      It is about all parties doing what is right for everybody and working together. If the EU are not happy with us having a NO Deal then they should look to make some sort of deal that works for all parties, it is not just us that has to make a deal.

      If they can not do that then we leave without a deal and they, like us, have to get on with it.

      Not really a problem. So why all the fuss from the EU about a No Deal?

      Chaos for Christmas has a nice ring to it!

      PS There were plenty of lies on both sides of the fence as well as constant fear-mongering by the remain.

    • 3 weeks ago

      Well we shall see who is right when it comes to no deal. But in essence you cannot really find a solution when you have one side promoting an argument with “sunny uplands” that are basically pie in the sky. In the end the EU do what is best for their principles which were well known if anyone had bothered to check. If the roles had been reversed and say Portugal was leaving do you think we would have sat there and agreed to the some of the things that our politicians have asked for? In many ways I hope we do go for a no deal, just for the simple reason that it will prove one side right. However with this in mind, we as a nation have to take responsibility for this and not blame the EU. By blaming the EU you are already finding a scapegoat for why this is such an awful idea. No scapegoats – if it works then well done, but if not then what. What upside is there for Brexit now that we know all the facts?

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Robin, it has nothing to do with “Sunny Uplands” whatever you deem them to be.

      Nor am I sure what the facts are, I guess that depends on who is telling them, or how they are interpeted, some seem to think we will go into a recession greater than the last, whilst others think it maybe a bit bumpy but we will get through it.

      What about citizens, both UK & EU? There are some basics which should have been agreed from the outset regardless of what else happens

      If we have a No Deal then it is bound to be problematic, for us and many of the EU countries. If Kent turns into a lorry park, so will Calais, jobs will be at risk and many small business as well as large will suffer on both sides. I am not personally sure how that will make anybody right?

      The withdrawal agreement could have been voted in bar the BackStop, but the EU refuse to budge on that and insist it stays. So why is it so important? Because without it we could end up with a No Deal situation with a hard border in Ireland in 21 months and we wouldn’t want that?

      No we wouldn’t, lets do it in 2 months time instead, or is that too simplistic a view?

      The stupid part of that pig-headed thinking is that should they have removed it and it become the agreed deal, the chance of the UK actually getting out of that in the next five years is probably unlikely. Our government would still be trying to work out a trade deal on a perpetual “any day now” scenario. Even Farage would have had to accept it for a while even after the deadline had passed.

    • 3 weeks ago

      The problem is Tyler we were the ones who came up with the backstop and unless you draw a line in the Irish Sea and make Northern Ireland part of the customs union then there is no getting around the issue. Many people are saying oh its such an easy thing to solve. If this was the case then why is the backstop such an issue to anyone as the alternatives will be found in a few years and thus the backstop will not be needed. The problem is it is unlikely to be solved.

      You have again blamed the EU, and I suspect that that will the rallying call from those favouring brexit. Sadly it is not intransigence on the EU’s part as they have just held firm on their red lines as you would expect them too. We voted to leave and therefore it is our responsibility to solve this. If this leads to no deal and a recession then this is our fault for voting the way we did. You just have to look at the chaos this has caused in our politics and the way the country is now split to see worrying signs for the future. And what is this all for? There still doesn’t seem to be any upsides to it, apart from some undefined stuff that may or may not happen in 20 years time. After everything that has come out over the last 3 years can you honestly point to an area where we will be better off after Brexit?

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Robin I am sure you read what I wrote but you do not seem to have understood it.

      During the withdrawal agreement there is no backstop, it kicks in at the end of the transition period if the UK and EU had failed to negotiate a future trade deal to that keep the Irish border open as it is today.

      To prevent a hard border!

      At the latest, by December 2022 we’d still be in the single market and customs union.

      By not removing it they are forcing a No Deal scenario with a hard border in two months time, rather than two years & three months.

      So what would be the best outcome, removal of the backstop and stay aligned with the EU for another two years and three months or leave now without a deal and have a hard border?

      That was their decision.

      It is not our responsibility to solve the problem, the EU want a border it should be their responsibility to solve it. We could easily not have a border, they are the ones that want to stop goods entering the EU.

      The backstop is a problem as it does not give us the authority to leave with a no deal, should we wish too, it would be up to the EU to set us free from it. Should they want to be awkward about it , we would be stuck with it.

      If it is so unlikely to happen, as they say, why are they so keen to keep it? Because it meant we could not get a deal together that would be approved, keeping us in the EU and their aim is to prevent us leaving.

      But as I already said, they could have removed it and there would be a good chance we would still be trying to sort out a deal in 5 years.

      How can it be our fault for voting for something we are entitled to do?

      If we leave with a No Deal and it hurts businesses and EU citizens, then yes it is their fault, they should work in the the interest of those citizens & businesses. As it will be the responsibility of the UK governments.

      But you can’t please everybody, there are always going to be winners and losers and you are right, there is unlikely to be an immediate benefit.

      The country is split because those that do not want to leave will not respect the vote to leave. They have a 101 reasons and are trying to do as much as they can too prevent it. Much the same as the EU are doing. It would have been far better for the UK to have worked together from the start and prepared to leave rather than bickering like school children.

      Theresa May was not right as PM and they even tried to re-write the rule book when they failed to vote her out so they could have another vote.

      Much has come out in the last 3 years, but how much is true? Like you said, lets leave and see what happens, if the sky does not fall in I guess it was not that bad.

    • 3 weeks ago

      Sadly we have to disagree. We asked for a NI only backstop and if the election had gone right for Theresa May then I suspect that the only thing would have been passed like that. People keep coming up with alternative arrangements and how simple it would be to solve, but it is that simple that in 3 years none of these have worked. Our government agreed to the backstop and then parliament said no. So in essence you are saying that 27 countries have to find a solution for one country.

      In essence this was far too complicated a thing to ask in a binary vote and no one from the leave side said that there would be no deal. Yes we are entitled to vote on it, but the question should have been based on no deal or remain. By opening the floor to all sorts of fallacies we end up where we are now.

      Two final things – You seek to blame the remainers for the failings of getting this done. There have been ample brexit supporting people in the government as Brexit secretaries or other roles and have proved to be completely useless. It was up to the winners of the referendum to reach out to the losers, but instead the government has decided to ignore half the population, so don’t be surprised if people object.

      Finally I notice that despite asking you have still not given one advantage of Brexit and the best you can now do is hope the sky does not fall in.

    • jim
      3 weeks ago

      all sorts of potential benefits
      we regain our sovereignty
      we can choose our own laws ,our own trade deals, with the rest of the world
      we can say who comes, and who goes
      were not forced to support eastern european economies
      were not forced to allow foreign fishing boats to drain our seas of fish,
      were are not forced to adopt strange regulations and conditions

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Robin I was not discussing the benefits of Brexit but what has happened since and why we are in such a mess.

      So are you are saying that we would just have had the backstop without the transition period?

      https://i1.wp.com/commonslibrary.parliament.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Backstop-scenarios-2-01.png

      Or that the backstop would have been in operation from the start of the transition period?

    • 3 weeks ago

      Thanks Jim
      Choose our own laws: So which law or EU regulation would you have wanted to get rid of or felt hindered you in any way?
      Trade Deals? Have you any experience on negotiating Trade Deals? If you were on the other side who would you give more concessions to – a bloc of 500m customers or one with 65m?
      Who comes – Other European countries have stricter criteria for people moving from abroad, why did we just not implement those?
      Support Eastern European Economies? Should we then not have the same sort of thing in this country – Why do the South East support the North East for example?
      Fishing Industry – An industry worth £1bn in a £2.8 trillion economy. So we throw everything out to keep this going

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Tyler – No the backstop would come in after the transition period if we fail to find a solution to the Irish border. Seems fair to me and not sure what the issue is. The better solution would be a border down the Irish Sea, which is what we wanted originally, but the DUP and the election scuppered that. Neither side wants a No Deal, but at the end of the day we voted for to do this so we have to find a solution. Maybe if more heed had been paid to this issue during the campaign it would not be in this mess.

      if there is an alternative then someone needs to come up with it, but so far no one has. It is still remarkable that an alternative it is both the simplest thing to find, yet amazingly impossible for anyone to actually write down. and work.

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Robin, Great, you got there in the end.

      So the choice the EU have:

      Remove the backstop and potentially have a hard border in 2 years and 3 months

      OR

      The UK leave without a deal and have a hard border in 2 months.

      We can all see that the government would not be able to do a trade deal in the next two years and potentially that could have been 5 or longer.

      Should the UK have decided at some point in the next 2-5 years that we were going to call it a day and cut ties with the EU then there would have been as much a fuss about it as there is now.

      This could possibly have been signed back in March, even the Likes of Boris had voted for the withdrawal agreement just to try and move the UK forward.

      A lot of people that voted for Brexit would not have liked the above scenario, for one it would have given the Remain much longer to try and return us to being a full member of the EU rather than just being closely aligned.

      Looking at the above, what reason is there for the EU to insist on keeping the backstop? Especially as they claim it is unlikely to ever be acted on.

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Tyler. So what in your opinion is the solution ? Why should the EU get rid of the protection they need once we potentially become some sort of de-regulated vassal state of the USA?
      One of the issues that Brexit has brought about is this UK exceptionalism which thinks we can get all the benefits of the membership without being a member. This also seems to translate that the EU must give up the backstop as it does not suit us. Therefore we get to the no deal scenario and we hold a gun to our foot threatening the EU. No deal will affect us much more as the EU is a customer for about 40% of our exports and to them we are about 8%.
      In essence all you can say is that the backstop needs to go and everything will be fine. They will then find another reason for no deal as this is really the goal. Why was this never mentioned in the referendum?

    • Jim
      3 weeks ago

      Robin
      If the south east supports the north east
      Its Because both are part of the United kingdom , were not part of the federal united states of Europe as yet

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Jim – Thanks for the explanation and for highlighting the EU law that hinders you. Can now see why you support Brexit. It may not be federal Europe, but the point is we help each other out, and this will help everyone. Just as the EU supports deprived areas in the UK.

    • Jim
      3 weeks ago

      the UK is a gross contributor to the EU

      U K Deprived areas receiving EU
      Support is simply clawing a little back

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Jim – The difference is that the money is handed out on the basis of need, whereas in the UK the money is handed out and politics come into it.Still would like to know the EU law that hinders you so much.

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Robin Your trying to argue about too many things at once. Surely what I pointed out was quite clear.

      The back stop is actually irrelevant if we do not have a deal. We leave the EU and have a hard border in two months.

      Do you really think that was a better scenario than working towards a positive outcome in 2 years 3 months? Although in reality this would probably take 3-5years.

      Who is it a better scenario for, us or the EU?

      How would we “become some sort of de-regulated vassal state of the USA”?

      During the above we would be acting in accordance with the withdrawal agreement that was agreed with the EU, so if we are a “de-regulated vassal state of the USA”, it is with their approval.

      You keep saying how the EU do not want a No Deal, they had the choice to have a deal without the backstop, but have chosen a no deal situation.

      None of that makes sense.

      PS I think you are getting confused about what is actually happening, a withdrawal agreement without the back stop is the same as a withdrawal agreement with the backstop that is not enforced.

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Tyler – Probably best to leave it there. You carry on blaming the EU for the situation we are in, and not the people who presented the fantasy deals that we supposedly could have had..

    • jim
      3 weeks ago

      Robin
      if you believe EU hand out money based on need with no political strings your
      delusional

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Jim – Best to leave it there – Two of your reasons to leave were based on laws and regulations, yet you cannot name one that hinders you in your day to day life.

    • Jim
      3 weeks ago

      Nope cant leave it there
      Too right i can find EU laws and conditions that cause me inconvenience
      £SD and metric weight and measures for a start then
      Every time I click on a web site a EU law inconveniences me
      A pop up asking me to accept cookies
      Is down to the EU
      Not to mention the 15% or 5% vat charge on electricity or heating fuel that EU member governments must levy

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Robin Incredulous…

      My last message was not actually blaming anybody for anything, I simply put a proposal that you could not answer, in fact, I have yet to meet any remain voter that can answer it.

      The basics of the withdrawal agreement, as agreed with the EU, is the same with or without the backstop.

      The backstop would only come into effect if we decided we wanted to exit the withdrawal agreement.

      The withdrawal agreement would mean no hard border.

      So it really is quite simple, without the backstop we could see a hard border in 2 years 3 months OR we leave in 2 months and have a hard border.

      It is a simple question, which is better for both the EU & the UK?

      The downside for the EU:

      1. If we we do not have a backstop. Should we choose to exit the withdrawal agreement prior to having a deal, we would have a hard border. Which is the same as could happen in 2 months but 2 years 1 month later.

      The plus side for the EU,:

      1. We have another 2years 1 month without a hard border
      2. We spend time trying to write up a trade deal.
      3. We stay aligned with the EU
      4. We pay them lots of money.
      5. Most things stay much the same with a few restrictions
      6. Should we not agree a trade deal in 2 years 3 months we probably extend the time to up to 3-5 years.
      7. Should we try to exit the withdrawal agreement and put in a hard border, we have as much squabbling in parliament that we have now and it takes ages to happen, if ever.
      8. We will have had at least one election which could be won on a manifesto to re enter the EU as a full member, although that could give us less benefits than we have now.

      There is only one downside and that is likely to happen in two months rather than 2 years 3 months anyway.

      There you are, no blame, just a simple question of why you think the above is wrong and why leaving the backstop in the withdrawal agreement is so important.

      Not forgetting that the EU keep saying it is highly unlikely that the backstop will ever be used.

      A lot of Leave voters are not happy with the withdrawal agreement, even without the backstop and would rather have a no deal, me included. I am not even arguing for the above, I just don’t see why remain voters or the EU would not think the above was a good scenario compared to a No Deal exit in two months, along with a hard border.

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Jim
      £SD – No idea what this is
      metric weight and measures for a start – Much easier system for everyone, Sorry that things have moved on, but in a single market a single measurement system is important.
      Every time I click on a web site a EU law inconveniences me A pop up asking me to accept cookies Is down to the EU – Yes I agree with this one. Great idea to throw the country under a bus for stopping websites tracking you.
      Not to mention the 15% or 5% vat charge on electricity or heating fuel that EU member governments must levy – VAT is on almost everything why should this be different.

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Tyler
      The backstop comes into effect if at the end of the withdrawal agreement if there is still no deal. This is what we would sign up to so even if we did not have a deal or withdraw from the agreement this would come into effect. The whole point about the backstop is to avoid the hard border as this would be a signed agreement.

      You are right that no deal would bring a hard border, but then we would be breaking the terms of the Good Friday Agreement with all the issues that would create.

      If you can come up with an alternative to the backstop that will avoid a hard border then I am sure everyone would be all ears. But again no one seems to be able to come up with anything that actually works. The solution in all of this would probably the reunification of Ireland and then this issue would disappear in many ways. Then again it would open up a different sort of Pandora’s box.

      In essence though we are the ones who came up with the idea of the backstop and in particular making all of the UK in the customs union. If we now decide that we need something else then we need to come up with a solution that works. Also with the duplicitous nature of our politicians I can see why the EU finds it difficult to just trust us.

      The problem is we can’t find a solution. We were sold a lie that we would have the easiest trade deal and cake and eat it. How’s that working out? There still does not seem to be any tangible benefit to the whole thing. The only people saying about no deal at the referendum were the remain side and they labelled as project fear. If you guys are so set on No deal it should go a a new referendum between No Deal and remain. But you won so now we are left looking like an utter laughing stock to the world.

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Robin You haven’t really answered the question, you have just turned your reply into the usual Vote Remain Moan.

      As I said above, I have yet to find a remain voter than can explain why it is the wrong thing for the EU to do, yet the EU will not do it.

      By the way, forget all the drama of who lied etc, as both sides were guilty, forget all the scaremongering that went on by the Leave campaign, not to mention how ill prepared the government was.

      The question was a simple Leave or Remain in the EU, the vote was to leave and when Parliment invoked Article 50 to leave their was no deal it was a simple we will be leaving on March 29th 2019, which they failed to do.

      Dropping the backstop compared to us leaving with a No Deal is the right thing to do for the EU and does not effect them.

      Unless you can explain otherwise, without moaning about other things

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Tyler – My answer is that the EU should not withdraw this as this is what we and them both agreed as a solution to avoiding a hard border without an alternative that no one can name including yourself. They could did withdraw it, but after a transition period what insurance do they have that we will not have have in place a completely different regulatory system that cannot be present without having a hard border which both parties have agreed to avoid.

      It’s a hard thing to solve, but as I have said not much attention was paid to it in the referendum and now the leavers are finding reality coming home to roost. I keep hearing it is so simple to solve and we don’t need the backstop, yet at the same time you and others cannot name a working alternative except for asking for it to be removed, which would only benefit one side.

      I have answered your question now, but not sure why this is vexing you so much. You said you wanted no deal so you should be getting quite excited. I hope people losing jobs and potentially dying is worth it. Project Fear? We will have to see won’t we.

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Robin, your argument flusters on so many other things. I am not offering an alternative, there is not one on the table, that is actually the point of this discussion. Without an alternative there were only two options.

      1. Leave without a deal
      2. Remove the backstop.

      There are not the alternative you keep talking about, that is in your head and you seem to fail to accept that as a reality.

      I clearly pointed out the benefits to the EU for removing the backstop, You can not seem to disagree with those points.

      You do go on about people losing jobs and dying. Why would that happen if the EU dropped the backstop?

      It wouldn’t would it?

      Case closed!

    • jim
      3 weeks ago

      Robin
      why not just discount everything

      Robin
      VAT on Electricity disproportionately effects the very poorest in society
      few have a choice if to use
      it is a little more important than a so what VAT is on everything attitude

    • 3 weeks ago

      @Tyler. Finally we get there and you admit there is no alternative.So basically you want the EU to drop the backstop and sign an agreement without solving the elephant in the room of the Irish border. In return we give up nothing. Great in avoiding the no deal, but not so good as it just stores up the problem for later. It will gain more time to get preparations for a proper no deal done though, but in the end that is not what was promised in the referendum. We can all pretend that no deal was the default but no one on the leave side was saying that and anyone one on the remain side who said it was declared project fear.
      Oh well we shall see where we are in a few months and fingers crossed you get the no deal that you want.

    • 2 weeks ago

      @Jim – Yes VAT is a regressive tax and if our government had sought to persuade the EU to drop the rate throughout Europe for these reasons, I would agree with your stance. Sadly it was the UK government who introduced the rate and if it wasn’t for a vote in our parliament the rate would be much higher. Since that point I have seen no evidence that our government has done anything to mitigate this, although we could provide assistance to poorer people if they wanted to – see the winter fuel allowance for the elderly. The issue here I feel like so many is with the government we elect and not the EU, which is used time and again as the scapegoat for issues that this country has.

  • ifellow
    3 weeks ago

    Reality is due to the mass domination of Chinese sellers in the UK. A lot of UK based sellers rely on EU Sales to survive.

    The UK Government (If you can call them that) has said they will not stop EU imports, and Chinese imports won’t be affected.

    So now, We lose our EU Sales, our lifeblood due to no action on VAT evading sellers for over a decade laundering money through Hong Kong and everything else remains the same.

    Great environment to run a business, sell you all down the dole que.

    • SAM
      3 weeks ago

      So called UK Government (look at the types in it now), are only interested in cheap money from China normally for self gain (without looking at the long term effects), so they will open up even more cheap products coming in to the country (that is the deal that was made) and places like eBay ( there statement is just another PR stunt) will be used to push them.

      The race to the bottom just intensifies and less and less are able to compete. With no access to that EU market many of us will simply fail to exist.
      The people of UK have major issues ahead of itself and the inequality gap will continue to increase under this current Government, look at the amount of foodbanks, the homeless people it increases every single day as more get left behind, and it is not like the opposition are fit for purpose either.

      SMES cannot wait years for Politicians to do trade deals to suit themselves (and this is all sides)….We can be flexible and move but we are rapidly running out of options.

    • ifellow
      3 weeks ago

      eBay and Amazon need UK Sellers to make the Chinese goods look cheap. Either via brand or quality or taxes, as well as add quality to their sites and a sense of prestige.

      Example, A Parker pen is £20, but this Chinese one ‘looks’ almost the same and is £1.50 with free delivery, sold by 100 sellers in the same country with 10-15 of that item dominating page 1 of search and that poor Parker seller appearing due to having to pay a bucket load sponsoring his listing.

      Without that Parker offering the marketplace would be exposed to what it actually is, and that 99% the same ‘look’ Parker wouldn’t look cheap anymore, it would look a normal price inline with other listings. Sure once in a while, the Parker may sell but 95% of the sales will go to the cheaper listings.

      If you looked at the WSJ article, its clear amazon needs USA brands to sell their designed, safe and branded products so the Chinese Rip off ones can come in and offer their unsafe clones at a lower price and gain a majority of sales.

      The only silver lining here is none of my kids want anything to do with selling on these platforms when they grow up. Because they realise how difficult, unfair and stressful it is.

  • Toby
    3 weeks ago

    Ebay should get their own house in order before engaging with others. This isn’t about ebay caring about it’s sellers… it’s about fear of lost revenue for them.
    Funny how they suddenly get all vocal when they could lose income, but it is fine to stay mute on the the constant scams that affect sellers yet leave ebay with their fees!

  • Mac
    3 weeks ago

    Based on the only data I have so far, my ebay sales in October for overseas will be virtually zero rather than more like 15%.

    If once again the can is kicked down the road again until next year, then again next year to later in the year – every time I may well be hit with another month or more of zero international sales.
    Which won’t get made afterwards. They are lost sales.

    Leave, don’t leave. But this kicking the can down the road expecting something to change in a few months that hasn’t in almost a year is costly.

    • ifellow
      3 weeks ago

      Interesting wonder if buyers are Considering UK is leaving EU so they will get hit with import tax. Bit to early for that, but as we get closer for sure it will be a consideration.

      I don’t think I’d buy stuff from China for example of they were leaving our little special club and I had to pay import tax. I’d just buy from a UK Seller instead.

      Good job after we leave the EU we can do an even worse trade deal with China, so they can properly screw us over, even more than they are already.

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