Shopping is a deeply personal experience says Rob Hattrell
David Brackin is the managing director of Stuff U Sell, the leading eBay trading assistant in the UK and a regular Tamebay contributor. This week David was at ChannelAdvisor Catalyst Europe to hear what eBay UK VP Rob Hattrell had to share:
Shopping is a deeply personal experience
Rob Hattrell has been in charge of eBay UK now for a little over a year and he gave the main keynote presentation after Channel Advisor’s CEO David Spitz at this year’s Catalyst. It’s a tribute to how important this event is in the ecommerce calendar that it attracts the most senior industry participants to attend and share their views. Rob is well known among sellers for having got out there and spoken to a huge number of businesses in his first year, and throughout the day he was to be seen around the conference patiently listening to insights and gripes from sellers. For his presentation, Rob limped on stage with a footballing injury but his enthusiasm didn’t seem to be slowed down as he expounded his views on the retail industry where he’s worked for 20 years and how it interacts with a technology landscape – in particular in the context of an industry increasingly under scrutiny for how it behaves towards consumers and their data.
Following on from David’s highly polished corporate presentation, it was almost hippy in its tone – Rob’s core message was that eBay’s belief is that humans matter more than technology, and that eBay exists solely to help humans interact and to express their individuality through commerce. And while this might sound a touch “new age”, there’s clearly room for someone to take the moral high ground in a time when Facebook is under so much pressure for its seemingly amoral handling of its users’ most personal information; or for the business to move its VAT base to the UK when other Silicon Valley giants are being revealed to have such complex tax arrangements so as to contribute very little to the societies in which they thrive. We had already heard in David’s earlier talk how Millennials have rejected traditional brands; one wonders what happens if they also bring their sense of moral outrage to the marketplace.
On eBay, Rob observed that shopping is a deeply personal experience, and that outside of “utility shopping” – which is characterised by decreasing margins, de-branding and cut-throat competition – what we buy says a lot about who we are, and this is where eBay thinks it excels. This is why he disagrees with the previous speaker about the inevitable rise of voice-commerce: ultimately while it may work for some commodity items, image search offers a much more natural way to shop for fashion, for example. By way of illustration, he showed the items which are his recent purchases on eBay and how it covers the various area of his life: his family, “fashion” choices and his love of West Ham FC – just a handful of objects painted quite a detailed picture of him as an individual – but he’s clear that personalisation of the shopping experience based on this information must always be with consent – so that it is a helpful transparent tool rather than an opaque creepy manipulative force.
For sellers, it’s the same message that it always has been: eBay has a large active audience who care about their purchases and view shopping as a mix of entertainment and self-expression. It doesn’t sell on its own platform and so won’t ever be competing with them: eBay wins only when its sellers win. But Rob went further and continuing his idea of human connectivity, said that eBay is there to allow sellers to express their businesses that they want to express and in the way that they want it: he wants sellers to be in control of their offering and sees his role to match that up with all the consumers that use eBay. If the organisation is able to deliver on this promise, then these should be very welcome words to hear for all sellers: if eBay can give sellers that freedom then it will represent a genuine lifeboat for those who are escaping other marketplaces.
as a business what we like to express
is whats it worth ? how much can I get for it ? how quickIy I get paid. how much tax we pay on it , where can I sell it for the best price , and where to get some more
lifeboats are for sinking ships
It’s just all so much smoke.
There’s no substance here at all.
Just falling sales and higher fees.
If Rob H reads the Ebay and other boards, he will see that Ebay UK is having problems with its checkout and its apps, which are especially affecting mobile users.
And what about the search changes that have swamped the listings with overseas items once again ????
As he is responsible for Ebay UK, Mr H should have spent the day dealing with some of this, rather than blowing bubbles.
Ask yourself, Mr H, whether Ebay is better now than it was when you took over a year ago. From a seller’s view point, the answer is no.
The answer is certainly “yes” – ebay IS better than it was a year ago. I would elaborate and say its getting better every year. That has something to do with Rob BUT I must be missing the point about the “personal experience” I agree with Northumbrian above.
Why are your sales falling Andy? Is it your attitude towards the platform that is kinda meant to be your “partner”. I cant imagine any business succeeding with so much resentment towards the folk who are trying to help.
Can I help? (or would you show me the same……….)
eBay is better than it was a year ago, but only because a year ago it was the worst its ever been!
Is it better than it was two years ago? No, it certainly is not.
“he’s clear that personalisation of the shopping experience based on this information must always be with consent…”
Great, glad he’s on board, so where’s the button to turn off ebay’s personalisations?
oh, there isn’t one. assuming consent where none exists is apparently fine. the hippies will be reassured.
“so that it is a helpful transparent tool rather than an opaque creepy manipulative force.”
Cassini? or just all of ebay? oh they’re remaining opaque, creepy and manipulative. transparency is good in theory, as long as we’re not the ones having to be transparent.
“eBay is there to allow sellers to express their businesses that they want to express and in the way that they want it”
which is why we’re removing personalisation, custom shops, and obliterating any sense of identity or brand you’ve tried to establish.
I’d start putting more weight in what ebay spokesmen say, when their words start matching what they actually do in practice.
eBay spokesmen constantly shout about how unique items are their USP, then they do everything in their power to chase anything unique off the site.
eBay spokesmen announce its about individual sellers with tailored offerings, then introduce catalogue listings, required barcodes, and removal of customisation.
eBay spokesmen say their focus is on SME’s and small sellers, then bend over backwards for Argos & tell SME’s if they don’t like it, here’s where to close your account.
really it’s just mud-slinging at amazon for doing, more or less, exactly what ebay are doing too.
Never mind all this arseing around, most sellers are bothered about the fact that sales are diving on Ebay.
Just been to yet another collectables trade fair and not one seller I spoke to there had seen sales rise on Ebay in the past year.
In fact, the main gripe amongst those who still sold on Ebay was the alarming fall in sales and the hike in anchor fees.
Many had given up on Ebay. Mr Hatrell should worry about that – how many sellers have abandoned Ebay in the past year?
Rob Hatrell had better get UK Ebay growing again, or more will head to the door. It seems Ebay’s only plan to increase revenue is to take more from sellers and to crowbar in their own payments system.
Beyond that, they don’t seem to have a clue.
what sellers are YOU networking with Andy?
Alan, I meet with other dealers in our type of collectables all the time. There are usually a couple of hundred at fairs and auctions and we know each other pretty well.
Ebay needs to understand that the changes it has been making to the site has hit our areas badly and depressed sales.
Dealers are doing well on the fairs circuit and on our own websites. It’s only on Ebay that sales are diving.
You may be doing well on Ebay, Alan, but I assure you that in areas without product identifiers it’s a different story.
As for my “attitude”, Alan, it would change if Ebay listened to sellers and addressed the growing list of concerns expressed on these pages by several sellers.
If you read the Ebay message boards they are swamped with posts from sellers complaining about technical problems, fee rises and falling sales. Are all these people wrong, or might it be that things aren’t right on Ebay, as you suggest.
If Ebay does something that HELPS our business, I will give them praise for it. Still waiting.
Meanwhile, our website and trade sales are doing well, so who needs all this hassle on Ebay?
If they want to be a pale imitation of Amazon, they are going about it the right way.
@ Alan Patterson – you describe Ebay as a partner.
What kind of partner hikes anchor fees by 50% without consultation?
What kind of partner imposes an unknown, untried payment system without consulting its “partners”.
What kind of partner hides the visibility of items erratically and then makes you pay to get the visibility back?
What kind of partner threatens to kick you off their site when a customer asks if you have a physical shop, even if you don’t respond to that message?
What kind of partner fails to keep its site working properly, so that buyers give up in frustration with slow or unavailable pages.
What kind of partner fails to listen to years of complaints about issues with the checkout / basket and paying for multiple items?
What kind of partner fails to deal with issues with international buyers and visibility,?
What kind of partner makes constant changes to search criteria, so you get a different return every time you search?
What kind of partner gives “defects” to sellers, saying that they “failed to despatch on time” when the item is sent immediately, but the carrier is late?
What kind of partner finds in favour of fraudulent buyers EVERY TIME when they try the empty box scam?
Ebay is not our PARTNER.
They are a service we PAY for, like floor cleaner.
We can choose whether to use them or not.
I don’t give a **** whether Ebay succeeds or fails, because that is exactly their stance towards sellers.
Maybe in your own mind, Alan, you regard Rob and Ebay as a partner. Presumably you have private conversations with Wenig as well. Keep taking the medication.
I’m out of here.
@ Andy, your questions ……. some of them are ridiculous. You are looking at the hole and not the doughnut.
With this attitude your business is not likely to succeed and ebay wont be the cause of that.
I have offered to help if your business is struggling but all I get is hostility. there is no helping some people. their attitude needs to be correct or the result is (almost) inevitable.
personally, I want ebay to make more money. the more money they make the more stable the platform becomes. Is it at my expense? its damn more effective than other platforms and other forms of advertising. It just needs to be done right with the right approach.
But you compare them to floor cleaner?! Mmmmmmm…..
speaks for itself.
were init for the dosh
dont give a bugger about expression or freedom
Voice-commerce will be like a 3D TV a few years ago, all the rage and hype and like myself I used it to play a game of TopSpin on the Xbox Once and put the glasses back in the box and eventually sold them on eBay.
Picture speaks a thousand words. Still I think people like to SEE what they are buying, and exactly WHAT they are buying. Our Alexa is used for a few tunes it is a decent speaker but is unplugged most the time now.
eBay is there to allow sellers to express their businesses that I do not think ebay let us do, they are taking away our ability to do this. This is a mistake, you become a bland catalogue marketplace and just a price, and Amazon will WIN this and also WIN the race to the bottom they have created.
I have emailed Rob twice and twice we have seen something happen (once with the 24 large letter 2d delivery confirmation and Premium), however I think he is fighting an uphill battle against how Mr Devin Wenig sees eBay, he is to busy following Amazon.
Excellent comments and all unfortunately all correct concerning Ebay.
Also noticed Currys and Zavvi outlets have closed their Ebay UK stores following Target in the USA ….
we agree with andy on ebay is anything but a partner
its a master, a dictator, a bully, but your not forced to use them ,
we disagree with andy on the sales side
without ebay the market for collectables would be very different , even those dealers who dont sell on ebay
will be selling at least in part to those that do sell on ebay
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