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CWU claim victory in the Royal Mail dispute

By Dan Wilson January 21, 2018 - 11:09 pm

The Deputy General Secretary of the major postal workers union, the CWU, (Communications Worker’s Union) has said that an agreement with Royal Mailis imminent. It does look like that strikes will be avoided.

Negotiations after the autumn ballot and a High Court ruling meant that both parties were forced around the table and all signs show that the process has been successful.

“Philosophically we are in the right place. Once you get into the drafting, it is such a complex thing.” CWU deputy general secretary Terry Pullinger said. “We’re really trying to get it nailed down next week. The conversation did not change until we got a massive ‘yes’ vote and gave notice. And although they took us to court and forced into mediation… the conversation had to change.”

“There is no doubt about it, doing it that process, the proper negotiations started for the first time. The whole process of the ballot was to get a proper negotiation and get into the room – so the objective is done.“

A spokesperson for Royal Mail said: “Royal Mail and the CWU have continued to make progress in talks on pay, pensions and the other issues under discussion. These talks are ongoing as both parties seek to finalise an agreement.”

It is undoubtedly good news that Royal Mail strikes are off and workers are going to get a good deal on pensions and working conditions. Royal Mail shares have also seen an upside. But it is also a shame that it takes a stand off for a solution to be found. Hopefully future industrial relations will be more harmonious and cooperative.

  • Toby
    7 months ago

    So the union are claiming that it was all needed to get the other side to mediation so an agreement could be made…. of course what you could do is just suggest mediation when you hit a wall rather than threatening strikes before Christmas?
    Nothing like causing concern and uncertainty to the public and businesses to get your point over as bluntly as possible. A strange ‘victory’ for the union…

    • Mr Cuschera
      7 months ago

      I work for Royal Mail & if you knew the full story perhaps you wouldn’t be so quick to judge, the CWU & Royal Mail had agreements in place of which Royal Mail broke on many occasions & there had already been almost 2 years of mediation already, without fruition. So I’d advise for you to do a little fact check before judging in the future, there is a reason almost 90 percent of us workers voted for industrial action.

    • Bo
      7 months ago

      These talks had been on going for about 18 months. The business wouldn’t make a sensible offer until the real possibility of strikes were on the cards. Victory for the union I think.

    • Moya
      7 months ago

      Mr Cuschera 90% of the workers didn’t vote to go out on strike. 89.1% of UNION MEMBERS voted to go on strike.

      I’d advise for YOU to do a little fact check before dishing out in the future

    • Gary watson
      7 months ago

      Well toby the uncertainty that you talk about would b nowt compared to the poor mail service the bosses at royal mail had planned. Not just a victory for the workers toby but the public too as they relay on us postman getin the job done. Fact

  • northumbrian
    7 months ago

    bet My Hermes sends the CWU a Christmas card this year ,
    as a thank you for the extra business thats came their way

    • 7 months ago

      Well done to the C.W.U.

    • Mark
      7 months ago

      Seeing how My Hermes deliver anything its only a matter of time before they loose all their business

    • Allan Allison
      7 months ago

      Perhaps you should check out how much profit royal mail made over the christmas period

    • Undefined
      7 months ago

      If my Hermes deliver the item it will left on the doorstep getting soaked

    • Beasty
      7 months ago

      Think you’ll find that Hermes and other carriers can’t cope at Christmas and we at Royal Mail end up delivering their parcels via downstream access!

  • Husko
    7 months ago

    No extra business went to Hermes as there rubbish plus Royal Mail got loads more business this Christmas and a lot more from amazon

    • alan paterson
      7 months ago

      @ Husko – no extra business went Hermes way? What planet are you on? Hermes spiked 32% increase of parcels within 10 days of the CWU stating their intentions. There was no “spike” at same time last year. mmmmmmm…..I wonder what could have caused this spike? You must be looking at a different graph – do you know how to read a graph?

      Comments like the ones you made only undermine the credibility of what other posties have to say. There is no doubt that competitors benefited from your decision to go on strike, whether successful or not.

      Why is it that members of CWU can’t see that they are biting the hand that feeds them? Its Royal Mail that pays your wages – they are not the “bad guys” as most of you portray on here. Any organisation who harms the company thats paying you – THEY are the bad guys. There is no doubt that Royal Mail profits were effected by this – but that was your intentions was it not? “We want our way or else we will damage your profits. ”

      The damage will only be evident when compounded through time………..but i suppose most will have retired by then and it will be the next generation of posties that will suffer.

      I think many posties on here need a history lesson………….

  • 7 months ago

    Toby,what world do you live in?These people are fighting for their jobs,their pensions and for the future of this great institution.Do you think royal mail management,in their wisdom would agree to change in order to move forward if it was not for the backing the union received from 90% of their workforce.If it was left to them they would let the company carry on as it is till it was unsustainable.Yes change is needed, but not at the expense of hard working people who keep the job going.Management just want to line their own pockets with bonuses and keep shareholders happy, but this should not be at the expense of their workforce.

    • Retired postie
      7 months ago

      Don’t forget most of the staff are shareholders and would have been striking against
      themselves.Some change / modernisation is good but not just for the sake of profits.

  • Johnny Walsh
    7 months ago

    Mr Hermes only picks up the scrapes of Royal Mail business, yet again another record year for RM delivering parcels and packets. Pity Hermes don’t have a little more respect for their self employed driver workforce and pay them a living wage. No doubt RM directors will award themselves a nice fat bonus and a cheeky lump sum payment into their pensions after negotiating a deal with the union.

  • Martin Westcott
    7 months ago

    Not a strange victory for the CWU a great victory. A threat is the only way to stand up to these big profit making companies

    • MR A STEADMAN
      7 months ago

      I have been a postman for thirty two years, Yes, We do have to have change but this company has had more change than any other, Also Toby your comment is a joke, I work hard for my living just like lots of other postman & woman, 90% means a hell of a lot of unhappy people in our workforce, Well done the CWU. ANDREW

  • Thomas
    7 months ago

    Well done the CWU if it wasn’t for my union I would be on a prity bad contract with poor pay.

  • Mcginty's goat.
    7 months ago

    Without CWU, Royal mail senior management would have set about destroying the job. Their attitude to negotiations prior to this ballot were shameful. For as long as they can reap huge bonuses by devaluing jobs and shredding future employment security, then jump ship to another company, unions will flourish!

  • Dick Wall
    7 months ago

    C.W.U. Caring Workers Union👍

  • Dick Wall
    7 months ago

    C.W.U. Caring Workers Union 👍

  • Vinny
    7 months ago

    Parcel deliveries were a record high over xmas at Royal Mail and we even delivered all our competitors parcels as they don’t have the structure to cope and don’t want to do deliveries in not so profitable areas well done cwu

    • alan paterson
      7 months ago

      You delivered all your competitors parcels you say?

      So you delivered Hermes? DPD? Yodel? Did you deliver UK Mail ? What about FEDEX or UPS? You delivered all these did you?

      Exactly what competitors DID you deliver – if anything? certainly not “all”.

      Posts like this undermine the credibility of what serious postman have to say.

  • Chris Spedding
    7 months ago

    Where is this report from the union?? I’ve checked fb and they still havent told us its all sorted.

  • Gary
    7 months ago

    Considering the power of the unions diminished rapidly after the miners strike the fact that the CWU were able to get a massive mandate from the members should be applauded. They should also be applauded for getting Royal Mail round the table and thrashing out ( by all accounts) a fair deal for its members. Well done to all concerned.

  • alan paterson
    7 months ago

    Too late, I have already taken my business elsewhere.

    @ Husko above – “no extra business went to Hermes….” you say. Really? i say – where are you getting YOUR figures from lol.

    Its comments like this and other comments – who claim Royal Mail deliver all competitors parcels – that undermine what any sensible posties have to say.

    I find postman generally very arrogant. I haven’t met one who doesnt think he or she knows better than their bosses or management (who are only trying to stay within budget, maintain efficiency and are blamed for taking their salary).

    Royal Mail has been irreversibly damaged. Its comments like the ones above that infuriate SMEs and encourage them to go elsewhere. But thats how a union “wins” they threaten the profits of the company. Lets see how that works out long term……………..

    None of the businesses I network with are using Royal Mail for their mainstream parcels. I been using Hermes for several years and although they are far from perfect I don’t have them try and use my business as leverage at the busiest times of year.

  • Northumbrian
    7 months ago

    It’s how management manage that will determine if Royal Mail flourish or flounder
    Posties are not that essential to royal mails success
    Most of our species are able to post a letter or deliver a parcel

    • not happy postie
      7 months ago

      Posties are not essential my word are you drunk.Granted most people can post a local letter a short distance away even if it means hopping into your car.But thats nothing compared to what goes through the system,who delivers those millions of items.Id stick to drinking tea mr then maybe youll talk sense not rubbish.

    • northumbrian
      7 months ago

      will sort of rephrase it
      to post a letter not much skill is needed just brawn

    • alan paterson
      7 months ago

      @ not happy postie

      if you are not happy at being a postie maybe try something else? You could try selling on ebay………? Some skill is required.

  • Fra Martin
    7 months ago

    A few contributions above on this story are based on a lack of understanding of the issues involved in the dispute. To suggest Hermes as a plausible benefactor from this dispute is mischievous and unfair comment. Companies like Hermes with their contractual terms & conditions of employment grant substance to the term “race to the bottom”. When consideration is afforded to the profits Royal Mail PLC attained over the Christmas period in comparison to their competitors puts the story into perspective.
    What seems to be lost on the Tobys of this world is the fact that CWU from the outset of the dispute wanted an negotiated settlement to the 4 main strands of this dispute. For a period of 18 months the remained resolute in their determination to negotiate a fair settlement for all their members against a plethora of new anti trade union legislation that they and their membership surmounted and overcame with a resounding 89.1% yes vote for industrial action. Albeit the ballot was legally challenged it did not deflect the fact that the overwhelming majority of people who work for RM opposed the direction the company was taking and supported their union’s vision for the future of the company. Therefore when talk of victory is aligned to CWU it is infact a victory not for CWU in isolation but a victory for the common worker against the employer. It is a moral victory for the entire trade union movement against a minority government created for the few whose sole purpose is to ride roughshod over the many!!

    • alan paterson
      7 months ago

      @ FRA

      You said in your post above “To suggest Hermes as a plausible benefactor from this dispute is mischievous and unfair comment”.

      Can you elaborate on how that is an unfair comment? Surely it is simply a fact…….

  • Hilary
    7 months ago

    I am so proud of our union fo a job well done after all we all work so hard with very
    difficult managers but despite that we
    remain comitted .

  • PHILLIP BARR
    7 months ago

    Hopefully this deal will go through, walking an average 12 miles every morning is not good for your knees and hips especially now I’ve hit 50! We’ll need a good pension because Royal mail won’t give us a second thought when we retire!

    • northumbrian
      7 months ago

      Walking 12 miles a day is the job
      Yet posties seem to think it’s something they should be applauded for
      Tens of thousands have gym subscriptions to do the same

  • peter
    7 months ago

    problem is though some walks are still twice the size of others,are finishing almost 2 hours later and things are so unfair in offices and bullying is still happening from management on a daily basis.
    well done but so much more on a local level needs to be done.

    park and loop plus lapsing is a mess
    walk set 1 = 1000 houses
    walk set 2 = 950 houses
    walk set 3 = 1100 houses
    (all finish way before there time and stroll round)
    walk set 4 = 1450 houses,runs round like an idiot because bullied over having bags off to pick there kids up from school

  • alan paterson
    7 months ago

    Lets face it – any compromise and the union was going to claim that they “won”.

    • Gary
      7 months ago

      Actually Alan for your information DPD and amazon couldn’t cope and pushed there business through Royal Mail. So yes you do need to get the facts

  • northumbrian
    7 months ago

    What about we poor sods
    12 hours or more a day in front of a screen
    Heart attacks ,high blood pressure ,diabetes , eye strain, weight problems,
    bruised buttocks, bad backs,

    • alan paterson
      7 months ago

      @. Northumbrian

      its like you have seen my medical records. Although I have not had a heart attack for a while…………

  • northumbrian
    7 months ago

    No chance of a heart attack here
    We’re eBay sellers our heart was broke years ago

    • alan paterson
      7 months ago

      Can I recommend ebay item number 391365302329

      Quickly followed by 253380248605

      Sorted!

  • Fred
    7 months ago

    Alan and Northumbrian are u 2 sad old men because u haven’t got a clue what it’s like to be a postman

    • northumbrian
      7 months ago

      Yep a sad old man
      With 50 years of experience in the workplace
      As a boy working in the steel works
      (Before health and safety )
      Then as a young man delivering telegraphs by hand on the railway system
      when not delivering unloading MAIL
      From trains
      Then learning to drive locos ,
      Moving on to the shipyards in my mid 20s strikes redundancies walkouts you name it I experianced it ,
      the past 30 years running my own business , I have an understanding of dealing with government departments ,council regulations
      Red tape, tax vat ,employment laws,
      Awkward customers and awkward employees,

      Now I experience silly sods that have been nowhere ! learned nowt !
      !and have nowt!
      On tamebay

    • northumbrian
      7 months ago

      Part of the job I has as a teenager was unloading from mail trains
      The sacks where the old canvas type that broke your nails and skinned your finger tips
      No maximum weight twaddle no protective gloves ,
      You had very limited time to unload
      As it was a mail train
      So I know things ?

  • 7 months ago

    Oh alan, not you again with your Negative comments about postmen/women.I don,t think you have a business at all,in fact i think you are an undercover agent for royal mail management with orders to say as much crap as you can to undermine the workforce.Youre such a diva with your witty comments,you really are wasted in your job,have you ever thought of being a stand up comedian,oh sorry you are,because every postie laughs at your usual rubbish you spew out day after day.Do some work for a change and leave comments to intellectual people who actually know what they,re talking about.I await your wiity remarks with eager anticipation.SARCASM is the word your,e looking for Al.

    • alan paterson
      7 months ago

      @ S.b……lol. If only you knew what you were talking about…….

      @ Fred. People of small intellect always revert to insults when they have the inability to counter an argument.

      Please remember both of you that I have worked in the Mail Centre, I have used RM for 23 years and I have spent over £1 million with the service.

      It is very clear to me through experience that it is most often the postman holding the business back.

      You guys use SMEs as leverage to get your own way. Most of you do not even understand that simple concept and are baffled at the responses you get on here.

      To use my business as leverage for your own gain…………..I will not forgive the general approach of the union to use such tactics.

      Long term you guys are biting the hand that feeds you and you are not intelligent enough to even realise what the long term inevitable outcome will be. You are short sighted.

      However, thank you for helping to prove my point with such puerile comebacks. It speaks volumes about your character and grasp of the situation lol .

  • Mr Postman
    7 months ago

    This is a victory for working people not just the CWU.
    A huge corporation wanted to decimate its workers pensions, take money, sick pay and good working conditions away from hard working people.
    This is what can be achieved when workers stand together. People in all walks of life should.be paid a living wage, not the absolute “minimum” allowed by government, looked after in ill health and in old age. Someone that works 40hrs a week in any proffesion should be able to own a home and feed a family.
    The frontline workers of Britian need to stand together and stop having every last penny siphoned out of their pocket to keep an elite class living in luxury.

  • 7 months ago

    Royal Mail seem to be dragging their heels on this deal , about time they just paid up stopped acting the goat . Staff morale is at its lowest ,more people going off sick than ever . What are they playing at

  • 7 months ago

    Oh alan,i wish i was as intelligent as you,so i could talk the talk and use words such as puerile.Believe it or not i have 8 0 levels and 3 A levels so i do have the ability to counter an argument.You seem to ignore the fundamental(take note of my use of vocabulary alan)reasons why postmen/women are reacting to comments such as yours.They are fighting for their livelihoods,and to say IF YOU DON,T LIKE IT,GET ANOTHER JOB,is quite frankly pathetic.Get off your high horse and stop treating people like third class citizens just because you think you are superior to everyone who makes a comment about something they feel will affect their lives and their families lives.You say you have spent £1 million over 23 years,if so you are a little fish in a big pond,and royal mail would probably treat you the same way they treat their workforce,as being insignificant and not worth worrying about.THIS is the world we now live in Alan,and the sooner you get your head round that the quicker you,ll get back to being businessman of the century(in your mind) and leave ordinary people to fight for the right to make their working lives better.Yours truly,your intellectual (big word again alan)adversary.

  • William Holliday
    7 months ago

    I have worked for Royal mail 30 years the job is not the same as all mangers are bullying staff into doing extra work that most of the time you have not got time to do…. And it does not help when people start working before they start time and don’t have any meal breaks… Slow down and do the job properly…

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