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Judge Rinder: Are your T’s and C’s in order?

By Chris Dawson November 30, 2015 - 12:29 pm

Judge RinderI’m not a regular watcher of Judge Rinder, the UK’s answer to Judge Judy, but oh what fun he is, especially when he gets his hands on a juicy eBay case as he did on Friday.

The back story is that a buyer made a purchase and paid £2.50 to upgrade to next day delivery. The seller marked the item as despatched and updated tracking which triggered an email from eBay around 5pm with an “Estimated” delivery for the next day (a Wednesday). You can guess what’s coming next… the courier had already left so the item remained with the seller, was collected Wednesday and delivered Thursday.

Now back to the buyer, he’s waited in all day for his “estimated for Wednesday” delivery and it doesn’t arrive. It’s only at 5pm he bothers to check the very useful tracking information to discover that he will get his next day delivery, but next day means Thursday. What does he do? Tries to ring the seller (uh oh, somehow the seller has his home phone number listed on eBay and he’s still at the warehouse), so the buyer takes the Thursday off work to wait for his £35 (plus £2.50 expedited shipping) printer to be delivered and then promptly sues the seller for £74.50 lost earnings.

Unbelievable, but that’s (thankfully rare) some buyers for you, and of course it makes for a sparklingly good case on the telly box. The Judge ruled, by his own admission on the narrowest of margins, in favour of the buyer, but only because he attempted a phone call, left a message, didn’t get a rely and asserted that he thought if he missed the delivery he’d have to pay the carriage charge for a second delivery attempt.

We won’t bother going into whether the buyer behaved reasonably or not, but there are a couple of lessons to be learnt:

1) Set your cut off times on eBay

Don’t promise next day delivery if you can’t deliver. Be wary of marking items as shipped if they aren’t going to be picked up today.

2) Communicate with your buyers

If you have a phone number make sure it gets answered. Make sure dispatch emails and emails with tracking information specify the day of despatch, not the day of printing.

3) Terms and conditions are everything if it goes to court (even Judge Rinder’s court!)

If the seller had specified in his terms and conditions that “next day delivery” was a best efforts but not guaranteed (over and above eBay’s “estimated” email) then he’d have won. I also spoke to the guys over at Business Law Online and it would appear that a “no consequential loss or damage” clause in your Terms and Conditions would also be your saviour if you ever run into this particular buyer.

A clause of this nature limits you to the cost of the goods and service you supply and excludes buyers from claiming for any out of pocket expenses or other losses that they may incur. For instance if it was a wedding dress that arrived late, you couldn’t be sued for the costs of a cancelled wedding etc.

Whilst Judge Rinder is an entertaining bit of telly, it’s a timely reminder that Terms and Conditions are worth having. Small print might be a pain in the ass, but it could save you paying for your buyers to have a day’s holiday while they wait in for their redelivery.

(For what it’s worth I think the Judge was wrong but hey, I’m not a Judge and he is! You can watch the program for the next 28 days on ITV Player if you’re based in the UK)

  • Zina
    1 year ago

    It’s all very good having your own t&c’s in place, but that means nothing when you sell through eBay. We all know that a customer can complain about almost anything and get their money back through eBay customer service despite what each company’s t&c’s say, or if the customer didn’t read the description properly. Why bother!
    The only time we can implement our own terns and conditions are when we sell from our own website.

  • DLG
    1 year ago

    It sounds like the seller had set his cut-off time as far too late and that is hardly the buyer’s fault. Any special reason why a buyer cannot regard next day delivery as being next day? He should not have to burrow around someone’s listing/website to find out exactly what the seller actually means by next day delivery. Having wasted an entire day, this particular buyer decided to teach the seller a lesson. That seller has now been taught. The judge could not have come to any other reasonable conclusion.

    • 1 year ago

      A bit harsh. I know plenty of sellers who have reasonable cut off times but still print out labels and their software automatically uploads tracking numbers at the same time, often late in the evening at this time of year when it’s busy, and that’ll trigger the eBay email regardless of your cut off time.

    • Gerry007
      1 year ago

      .
      This is so common..

      Just bought something in the States, USPS sent me the tracking info, via ebay.
      Today (2 days later @ today, still not shipped) according to their website. Their system triggerwed the notification because the seller had booked the courier.

      This is a problem for any seller who come’s up against the ‘must have next day’ buyer.

    • tinker
      1 year ago

      were always receiving messages from buyers saying the trackings not right or not working , as they check the link the moment they receive the message from ebay,
      silly sods cant grasp,
      it takes time for the royal mails system to scan and update

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