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Tamebay poll: Will Scottish independence be good for ecommerce?

By Chris Dawson September 17, 2014 - 3:08 am

Hoots mon.

Tomorrow the fine and fair people of Scotland go to the polls in what is likely to be the most important ballot we’ve seen on these islands in more than three decades.

I say that as Briton living in England. It’s bigger than a general election for sure. It’s bigger than a devolution vote. It’s possibly only comparable to the EEC referendum back in the 1970s. A poll, incidentally, I was too young to vote in. I was born in 1977.

So we thought we’d have a straw poll ourselves on Tamebay on a specific aspect of the independence for Scotland debate. You can find the question below.

Set aside your cultural and ethnic concerns, your love of whisky or hatred of the English. Pull down that thinking cap and consider the question of independence in hard-nosed business terms with your ecommerce expertise at the fore.

What do you reckon?

If you feel like giving your reasoning below, in a comment. Please do.

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And if you need some music as you decide, we suggest you try this.

  • john
    2 years ago

    I am undecided, but probably vote NO. Don’t think Scotland is strong enough financially for independence.

    I Think Scotland has the potential to be independent but not at this moment in time.

  • Martin
    2 years ago

    In my sector I receive a lot of orders from Scotland, largely because there are very few suppliers based in Scotland for the products I sell.

    If Royal Mail were to treat Scotland as a foreign country and increase prices then this may well reduce the opportunity for sellers in the rest of the UK.

    If Scotland suffers the worst of the projected scenarios after an Independence vote then this will also negatively impact my business.

  • Liam
    2 years ago

    I am a recently started eBay seller and I live in the far north Highlands (Caithness, which is as far north as you can get in mainland UK). Already most courier companies declare us not to be part of the mainland and they apply hefty surcharges for deliveries up here. If Scotland goes independent the courier companies will take that as a great excuse to extend their surcharges to the rest of Scotland and will probably apply even bigger surcharges to the Highlands and Islands. When buying stock, this policy of the courier companies treating us as non-mainland already severely limits the choice of companies I can buy stock from, the size/quantity of stock I can buy and the profits I can make from the eventual sale of the stock. This will only get worse if Scotland becomes a separate country. Also if we are to be considered a foreign country, will there be a separate eBay for Scotland and will we be considered to be international sellers by eBay UK? If so this will reduce my domestic market to 5 million people as opposed to 65 million and I may have to charge international postal rates to reach the population of the rest of the UK, which will make my listings more expensive than my competitors south of the border.

  • MrBill
    2 years ago

    Royal Mail will for sure treat Scotland as a foreign country – they will be lucky to be treated as an EU country for postal issues (like Norway and Switzerland are). This will drive up the cost of posting anything under 2kg. People in the highlands and islands will suffer the most from this in Scotland as Royal Mail are obliged subsidise the exorbitant costs of daily deliveries to these areas.

    It may well play into the hands of a small number of larger players though – like Amazon, who can set up a distribution centre there, or use their own logistics to make the cost of delivery cheaper.

  • 2 years ago

    Living in Cornwall I can well appreciate the dislike the Scots have for London based Government. When a decision can be made locally and the developer appeals and some clown of a Planning Inspector overturns the local decision and allows the plan and then to add insult to injury the Local Council has to pay all the costs.

    When you know that the only time the bureaucrats and politicians venture outside the M25 is during the Summer Months. They look around and the sea is blue, the beaches golden, the sky is blue and the huge golden sun is shining down and there are jobs aplenty. They cannot see what the problems are.

    But they will not come down in February when there are storms queuing up in the Atlantic. The wind is ripping roofs off and the rain is coming down horizontally. When everything is damp if not running with wet and jobs are a common as hens teeth. But because they came down the previous August they know that everything is great and we need no help.

    Yes I often wish that we could get away from totally incompetant London Government. But I do not believe that Independence, or if they then go on to join the EU pseudo Independence is the answer.
    So if I had a Vote I would vote NO

    • James
      2 years ago

      You may want to get away from an incompetent London (all governments are incompetent – just in varying degrees) – but you would replace yourself with an even worse situation.

      Scots as much as I like them aren’t known to be the most economically literate people.

      The scots keep voting for Labour or SNP (which confirms their lack of economic literacy), much of the population has a desire for a bigger welfare state (see above re economic illiteracy) and given that Scotland is overall a net cost to the country (other than the oil) it’s a bit silly to say London is the incompetent party here when there are far bigger problems at home.

    • james
      2 years ago

      “the scots arent the most economically literate peoplpe”.
      your ignorance and racism is astounding.

      i give you just two Scottish inventions to counter this claim
      – The bank of England.
      – Capitalism.

      idiot.

    • 2 years ago

      Surely the invention of the Bank of England and Capitalism were well over a Century ago. I certainly get the impression that Economic Genius is in very short supply in Scotland in 2014 in line with the posting of James above

    • Claire
      2 years ago
    • James
      2 years ago

      Claire – a little article like that doesn’t mean very much to me. Without any statistics I can probably (and reasonably assume) that the best educated scots will end up in England most in London and others in smaller cities.

      This means that Scotland is left with the rump and although Edinburgh and Glasgow are quite strong in financial services they are a drop in the ocean compared to London’s clout.

      Regardless education has nothing to do with economic literacy (which in itself isn’t really a thing) but any country that routinely votes for Labour or the SNP (in the %’s that it does) is going to fall under this assumption for me.

    • Gerry007
      2 years ago

      .
      ”peoplpe”

    • Claire
      2 years ago

      If I’m economically illiterate – then I’m going to have to hand back my degree in Financial Services, give up up my qualifications as an accountant and financial adviser then start working in Tesco’s.

      And while I might not have a grasp of economics (in your humble opinion) I do at least know the facts. Scotland has been a net contributor to the UK economy for over 15 years now and we get approx £5 Billion pounds a year less back than we pay in.

      I think we’ve done an admirable job of maintaining free tertiary education, prescriptions, care for the elderly etc, etc given that we obviously can’t manage our money. Maybe we got our Dad to do it for us?

      FYI – there’s a huge difference between economic literacy (or lack thereof) and having a social conscience.

    • Gerry007
      2 years ago

      .
      Re; FYI – there’s a huge difference between economic literacy (or lack thereof) and having a social conscience.

      Well blow me down….

      ECONOMIC LITERACY
      Unless I am reading your comments wrong, According to you, Scotland had been paying in to the UK economy approx £5 Billion pounds a year less back than it gets back.
      Also this has been like this for the last 15 years. Therefore this is the reason Scots feel hard done by & treated badly by the UK and want independence…..Correct?.

      SOCIAL CONSCIENCE
      That means the UK has gained £75Bil in those 15 years
      Pray do tell, when will Scotland be paying back the opposite situation for the other 292 years when it appears to be the other way round (your figures) hence- 2014 – 1707 – 14 = 292 years.

    • Gerry007
      2 years ago

      .Typo:

      2014 – 1707 – 15 = 292

    • James
      2 years ago

      Your economic literacy has nothing to do with a general comment.

      Of course there are going to be people in Scotland like you – i’m simply generalising and I would have thought this was obvious without needing to get pedantic.

      I thought I mentioned my point outside of oil. Apart from oil what does Scotland really do? Financial services – mainly to serve London, a bit of manufacturing and other related activities. Without being a part of the UK (i.e attached to England), Scotland really isn’t very much. Much of the financial work will dwindle and move to London, oil is running out…

      I have nothing against Scotland or Scottish people. Like any part of England these are just normal people going along their lives like normal people do – my only problem with Scotland is the rabid socialism and welfare state mentality that costs ME more in taxes and lost growth than it probably would if Scotland wasn’t around – partly because of Labour and partly because political parties have to slightly pander to Scottish mentality as it is a large vote base (again generalisations).

      All those things you mention cost money. Money doesn’t grow on trees, it has to be diverted from other sectors to contribute to those sectors. That means a tax on businesses on people etc. just to keep a few members of society happy. By all means have a social conscience but it will just mean lower economic growth (rather than higher economic growth which means there is more money to pay for those services above). You can’t have both.

      By the way on the note of free prescriptions – this is a bad idea. I used to be heavily involved in pharmacies and the immense amount of abuse and wasted medicine because of free prescriptions was astounding (and this is just in England). Anyway this is another topic.

    • MrBill
      2 years ago

      What is this “London Government” you speak of? Do you not have an MP who is local and represents you – just like every other constituency in the UK? The fact that London happens to be the capital of the UK and where parliament sits is inconsequential. Recall, our last prime minister was a Scot (more than likely the last one that will ever be PM regardless of the outcome tomorrow).

    • 2 years ago

      Certainly where I live has a London M.P. However when she gets to London she is but one voice amongst 650. Also no matter what the results of a General Election the decision making aspects of Government, the bureaucrats, remain the same. It also appears as if they continue without any regard to the decisions of Parliament.

      There is a great deal to support the American system. A Change of President or State Governor or City Mayor and there is a mass clear out of the minor officials. I would certainly support the idea of Civil Servants losing their jobs in droves every 5 years.

      Also they tend to make decisions on such things as Subsidy based upon what will have the most benefit for themselves. This is why the massive amounts of subsidy are spent in London and the South East and very little in places remote from London such as Cornwall, Wales, Scotland etc.

      After all you only have to look at the biggest projects at present Cross rail, HS2 etc. All in London and the South East or will mainly benefit London and the South East.

    • Martin
      2 years ago

      Chris T, you make the salient point that your MP is just 1 of 650 – but this applies to every constituency.

      I live just outside the M25 and we are treated no differently from anyone else. Our MP is just as powerless/powerful, we suffer the same indignities of central planning overriding good local decisions – I look out on such a case every time I open my curtains in the morning. And where are those subsidies.

      Suspect after Cornwall if you lived anywhere in the London area with constant traffic noise or rail noise, or overflying aircraft, or traffic jams, litter, oversubscribed public services etc etc you might come to change your views about the supposed benefit of living in the South East. Please don’t think we are happier or have better quality of life, or have more disposable income (other than a few in the City).

      It would be a dream to live in the peace and quiet of Cornwall even with the wind and stairrods!

    • Cambridge_Blue
      2 years ago

      More ignorant nonsense about planning law yet again from people who believe localism should equal having a veto which it does not and nor should it.
      Planning law in this country is both well developed and for the most part very good indeed except where the ‘nimbys’ are concerned.
      Planning law explicitly tries to balance the rights of all parties in the process and the appeals process itself usually only gets invoked when weak counsellors cannot stand up to protest groups and ignore the advice of their professional officers.
      Our planning system remains surprisingly robust despite the legions of daft people who think a modern economy can be run without the need to get things built.

    • 2 years ago

      As usual Cambridge_Blue shows that he does not know the first thing about the subject that he is commenting on.

      Planning Law is always in a state of flux. It is not written on stone tablets sent down from the Gods on Mount Olympus. A classic illustration of this is in regard to Green Belt. For many years Green Belt was given the very highest levels of protection. Yet under this Government the policy has been almost continuously under threat. Indeed there have been indications that this Government would be quite happy to concrete over just about all of Green Belt.

      Organisations such as Campaign for the Protection of Rural England keep the Planning Rules and Regulation under very close review. Because if they do not then it is likely that Government, especially the present Government will change all sorts of aspects of it.

      Another area of concern is in regard top the National Parks. Again this Government has indicated that its future policies on National Parks will allow a large number of developments within the Previously highly protected areas.

      I sit on a Council that is a statuatory Consultee. This means that we are consulted in regard to Planning Applications within our geographic area. We are also consulted about Planning Applications in adjoining Parish Councils areas that could impinge on our area. So if there is a large development on our boundary or which could generate a lot of additional traffic on the roads in our Parish then we are consulted.

      In fact at the last Council Meeting we were briefed about just one such large scale development that will affect our Councils area. We cannot accept it or reject it but we can make representations about it. This we are going to do although in general we are happy with the scheme. Its the possible effects that the extra traffic will have on an already very busy and dangerous road that concerns us.

      However regularly we get briefings about how the Planning Regulations have changed. Cambridge_Blue will try to convince you that they are set in stone in reality they are always changing. Sometimes in a big way sometimes in a minor way. But they are always changing.

      In regard to Localism Policies surely the Locals ie those who actually live and work in the area know better than a Planning Inspector what is needed in the area. Let us take just one example. Wind Turbines.

      Cornwall being a windy Country has had a lot of Wind Turbines erected over the years. Its so bad in Cornwall that there are now few places where you can stand and turn 360 degrees without seeing enormous numbers of Wind Turbines. Surely we have reached saturation point long since. So why allow more.

      As an example a Wind Turbine has certain needs. Firstly and most obviously it needs a ready access to the National Grid(so the electricity that it produces can be sent through the grid). But Planning Inspectors have allowed Turbines where there is no access to the National Grid.

      They also need to be in windy places. Yet Planning Inspectors have allowed them in places where they are sheltered from the prevailing wind. Perhaps they should listen to the Locals.

      There are Rules and Regulations about how close they are to existing residences. Yet many appeals have been allowed where the Turbine is considerably closer than the Rules and Regulations allow. Again its because the Planning Inspectors have over ruled the objections and accepted blindly what the developers have claimed.

    • Cambridge_Blue
      2 years ago

      Living in Cambridge is wonderful and being in the economic powerhouse of the UK south east is just great thanks.
      We have excellent services, high standard of living, a prosperous and growing local economy, strong jobs growth, near to the global city of London, international links and apart from the lack of trees the area is nice enough if not beautiful like some other places.
      What is not to like and if I want some R&R in the Cornish countryside then I can simply try and find a decent hotel/apartment or better still buy a second home and rent that out when I don’t need it.
      No you can keep your peace and quiet it is much overated!

    • 2 years ago

      Again Cambridge_Blue thinks that I have only lived and worked in Cornwall. In reality during my Career I did in fact have 2 jobs in Cambridge. I was the Internal Auditor for one Public Sector Employer in Cambridge and the Group Internal Auditor for a major Private Sector Employer in the Cambridge area. I did not Live in Cambridge. I lived near to St Neots just down the road from Cambridge.

      So I know a little about Cambridge. I will accept that I was last employed in the Cambridge area in the mid 1970’s and things have no doubt changed significantly since, and probably not for the better.

      However I am very happy living in Cornwall.

      In the past Cambridge_Blue has made it very clear that everybody who lives in Rural Britain should be forced to up sticks and moved to depressing City areas such as Cambridge. He has a total contempt for the Human Rights of anybody who does not agree with him. However I am 64 years old and if I was to live the rest of my life in Cornwall and was finally to be buried in the Cemetery that the Parish Council owns I would be very happy.

  • northumbrian
    2 years ago

    were english and live in scotland we do a lot of trade in Southern England
    at this moment we are in newbury west berkshire and the palaver you get simply using a scottish tenner to buy a coffee is beyond belief and thats before the decision

    • 2 years ago

      Blimey you’re just up the road from me, I’m in Thatcham. Can I come buy you lunch?

      Am free today or will be in Newbury all day tomorrow.

    • northumbrian
      2 years ago

      shame we would have loved to meet you were heading north now on the a34

    • 2 years ago

      Let me know next time you’re down this way and safe trip back!

    • northumbrian
      2 years ago

      a 6 hour drive back to this divided country one thing I learned in Newbury today was the English may not have a vote ,but they are certainly not going to put up with Scotland thinking they can call all the shots,
      many folk down here are annoyed with Scotland and think they get special treatment

    • northumbrian
      2 years ago

      ps. you live in a great part of the country Chris
      were always made more than welcome down there

    • 2 years ago

      Cheers, definitely let me know next time you’re down.

      Personally I think there’s a lot of anger not towards the Scots, but towards the referendum itself. It’s not like any of us soft southerners have a say in our country being ripped apart regardless whether we think we’re better or worse of with or without Scotland. We’re just the kids caught up in the middle of our parents possible divorce negotiations.

    • 2 years ago

      I asked in another posting about Scottish Banknotes. I take it that you have confirmed that some Scottish Banks still print them.

      As I said elsewhere I used to take them on the Sales Stand at Rallies. But I often saw other stallholders carefully examining them when they were offered them. After all they tended to be colourful and imaginative designs certainly compared with an english banknote.

      They would examine them from all angles. Hold them up to the light to check on a watermark. Probably then consult anybody around and then after perhaps five minutes consideration decide that they did not accept them anyway.

      As I said elsewhere my daughter was a Cashier for Shell on a garage at the time. Shell with all its extensive interests in Scotland instructed the cashiers not to accept Scottish Banknotes.

      So you could imagine some poor bloke. He’s drive all night to get to his holidays in Cornwall. He left Scotland and now he’s desperate for petrol. He’s filled up with petrol in a Shell Station and presents the cashier with his last banknote…a scottish one. Now it is refused. Because he has no other way to pay the cashier is probably either threatening to have the petrol drained from his car or perhaps is talking about calling the Police. Yet the banknote is totally legal just a different colour and with a different name on it to a normal banknote.

    • john
      2 years ago

      I have seen shops take euro’s but not Scottish notes.
      I believe some English business banks charge/refuse Scottish notes.

    • Gerry007
      2 years ago

      .
      Blame is with the English banks who do not like taking them as they have to be sorted separately…

    • Martin
      2 years ago

      Try the coffee bar on Redhill station. Excellent product, friendly staff, run by a Scot, and Scottish notes no problem.

    • 2 years ago

      Marks and Sparks always take a Scots note.

      And if you think it’s hard spending a Scottish note generally. Let me note too that parting with an Ulster one is even harder!

    • radroach
      2 years ago

      I certainly agree with the Northern Ireland banknote comment – the only time I tried to use one I’m quite certain the shop owner was seriously considering calling in the police in the belief that I was attempting a scam of some sort. Never again.

  • james
    2 years ago

    as a Scot, absolutely sick to the back teeth of people thinking racial stereotyping such as “hoots mon, forget yer love of whisky and hatred of the English” is an acceptable way to conduct yourself, i cant wait for independence, if it costs i’ll gladly bare the price.

    i’m sure the abolishment of slavery cost businesses in the south of America, maybe we should bring it back for the sake of the cotton trade tamebay???

    disgrace the lot of you.

    • Simon M
      2 years ago

      “Racial streotyping” it may have been, but malicious it was certainly not – on par with many media comments on both sides of the border. Most, if not all, posts by Chris are professional and often laced with some tongue-in-cheek comments, and I personally perceived this to be no different.

      You’re deliberately blurring the lines by insinuating anything other than what was clear in the intention of the original post. A technique, I’m sad to say, has been employed time and again during this debate.

      S.

    • Gerry007
      2 years ago

      .
      james
      If you are not already in Scotland, directions are just drive North for about 474 mi, for 8 hr+ driving .

      Sure you won’t be missed down South…..

    • 2 years ago

      James,

      I made this post with typical Tamebay lightheartedness. If that was not clear, I apologise. I wanted to lighten the mood of this very dreer and unpleasant independence campaign and add some friendly banter.

      It was meant in nothing but comradely good humour.

      Dan Wilson

    • katakitty
      2 years ago

      Thanks for trying Dan.

    • james
      2 years ago

      oh light hearted racism? thats okay then. cant wait to see you “black up” for MLK day in the same jovial fashion.

      i’m sorry you find the fight for the future of my nation “dreer and unpleasant”; personally i find the buzz around the streets, the saltire flags flying all over the country, the lively and heated (and INFORMED) debates amongst my countrymen, and the prospected 90% voting turnout to be a great deal more interesting and exciting. but even our own independence referendum isnt about us is it? its about you having a joke and worrying how much it may potentially cost you.

      i dont think you deliberately set out to offend me, it obviously comes from a place of ignorance. same way that some ignorant people say gingers dont have souls and fat people shouldn’t receive NHS treatment, some of us may find that amusing, probably not the fat gingers though eh?

    • northumbrian
      2 years ago

      James

      try being an Englishman living in Scotland and you would know a little about Racism

      and its Scotland PLC that market kilts, tartan, irn bru, whiskey haggis ,sporrans, nessie etc
      so why be annoyed when its used as a label for the Scots

    • james
      2 years ago

      -that may have been a little much, but understand your ignorant racism is offensive. whether you mean it to be or not. just because we’re currently a minority in the UK doesnt mean you get to degrade us at whim. this isnt the first time i’ve come onto tamebay to see the country i love being racially slandered on here. stop it.

    • northumbrian
      2 years ago

      james,

      some in Scotland are rejecting England not the other way on

    • Gerry007
      2 years ago

      ..
      James.
      Grow up mate, stop being so very precious, just far to sensitive…..

      If you feel Tamebay preaches racism towards you/Scots, then don’t come on here.

      As Dan says, you just may be independent now. If so you can now ram it down everyone else’s throat, just do it somewhere else….

    • 2 years ago

      Dear James,

      Oh shame. The Scots superiority in this debate has been the worst aspect and it is dreer. Seeing as you know nothing of my background, your comments are just presumptuous. Calling me an ignorant racist is actually offensive. A great deal of your perceived annoyance is projected and imagined here.

      You have no idea as to my Scottishness, links to Scotland etc. So please don’t tell me.

      All the “my country” rhetoric fails to realise that this country belongs to yeses as it does noes as it is does other Britons. So cut the Tarton high dudgeon.

      The die is now cast as the ballots close. And I’ll stay true to that great British tradition of having a hint of humour in moments of great seriousness. I stand by Lord Rockingham’s X!. Because it’s jolly.

      If you think it’s racist. Honestly. Give over.

      Dan Wilson

  • Chris Mc
    2 years ago

    The distance that couriers have to travel is not going to increase, the couriers expenses are not going to increase and the cost for delivery is not going to increase. International deliveries are expensive now because of the water crossings and long distances to travel, not because they are independent countries

    • 2 years ago

      The distance won’t change, but the costs certainly will. For instance to start with Scotland may end up not in the UK and not even in the EU. Customs checking could be extortionately high compared with the status quo and don’t forget your friendly Parcelforce driver could be knocking on your door with your Scottish delivery plus a VAT and Duty bill adding on eight quid for processing costs!

      All depends how it’s handled, but it’s not significantly different to someone in the Mainland UK shipping to Northern Ireland and a second identical parcel to Southern Ireland… check out the cost differences there.

  • 2 years ago

    NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO !

    I can see NO reasons for this to happen, if you look at the larger business world, lots of companies are amalgamating to get greater buying power and reduce administrative costs.

    Why Scotland would think that doing the opposite would be good for their (already fragile) economy is a joke.

    I don’t mind the notion of independence but it WILL NOT WORK and will likely drag the UK economy down with it whether we’re separated or not.

    Not to even mention postage costs, VAT registration, currency conversion fees etc.

    Choose wisely Scotland, oil and gas is NOT enough to sustain an entire nation.

  • John
    2 years ago

    I am English, but my Sister lives in Scotland. I personally think Scotland as independent will be successful for them – you will have a Government that is on your side and will make changes that are in line with what is beneficial to Scotland. Ultimately you wont need defense spending, as UK will ensure you are safe no doubt.

    The thought of not having the Labour Party is a massive bonus – I would vote just for that reason. Alex Salmond cant screw things up more than Tony Blair and Gordon Brown did….

    Good luck which ever way you vote. We will still sell to you!!

    • Martin
      2 years ago

      Politicians are politicians. centralised government is the same no matter what the scale.

      Try finding a majority in Orkney. Shetland, Western Isles and possibly even some of the more remote highland areas, who think Edinburgh politicians are “on their side”. Government panders to those who elect them. By default Scottish government will focus on the Glasgow/Edinburgh axis, just as Tories focus on the South of England and Labour focus on the traditional boroughs.

      You govern and spend your money to please your likely electorate.

    • Gerry007
      2 years ago

      .
      Re: as UK will ensure you are safe no doubt.

      No doubt, as we give money in massive handfuls to foreign countries already…

  • Chris
    2 years ago

    In the case of a no vote I think its safe to say Gordon Brown has pulled off one of the most historic speeches ever: http://youtu.be/J39bBV7CBJk

  • 2 years ago

    Anyone know what domains Scotland will use if they leave the UK? All the good ones are taken and I guess they’ll be very reluctant to carry on using .co.uk, .uk or .gov.uk

    Just wondering as I guess I should buy a couple in case of a Yes vote

    • james
      2 years ago

      most likely the newly release .scot?

  • Cambridge_Blue
    2 years ago

    Good luck with trying to get your .scot tld and be quick as the domain investors are already very active.
    The DotScot registry will be making some money no doubt but actually from a practical point of view there is no need to waste your money on this domain
    The .com & .co.uk & .eu will still continue to be dominant and frankly unless you fear a cyber squatter I wouldn’t bother with .scot at all.

  • Peter King
    2 years ago

    Scotland joined the union because it was bankrupt, and needed bailing out, and I’m quite sure we will continue to support its buckfast habit for many years regardless of the outcome.

    • 2 years ago

      Scotland joined bankrupt and will leave bankrupt, if it does. The real test is whether it will be bankrupt in 10 years time.

      I don’t suppose Panama will be able to bail them out in 2024.

  • UlsterGooner
    2 years ago

    Whether independence affects our online businesses will depend on the currency. If the Scots are allowed to use the pound then we won’t see a problem. They will certainly pay more for their goods. Will the British still buy Scottish salmon or will shoppers support their local economy instead?

    So much for the European liberal agenda of ending borders, everyone has gone nationalist. At the end of the day, Scotland will still depend on UK trade just as Ireland’s economy relies on the UK. The EU will dictate your policy and you will make your own decisions albeit with economic reins.

    Oh and lighten up, tartan shortbread and haggis eating isn’t racism, where’s the hatred in those statements?

  • northumbrian
    2 years ago

    whoopee I am still British

    • 2 years ago

      And thank goodness the madness is all over.

      I feel for those who didn’t get their choice ratified and am happy for those who did. Hopefully now those who trusted Westminster to play fair will get equitable play and for us soft Southerners that the West Lothian Question (from 1977!!! How long must the English wait?) will be answered.

    • 2 years ago

      I find the final result to be fascinating. The Opinion Polls have been fairly consistent with results of No in the low 50% range. This has been 51% to 53% and Yes in the high 40%. This has been 49% to 47%.

      The final result has been No 55% Yes 45%. That means that the results are just far enough from the Opinion Polls to be interesting. The final winning result 10% which is about twice what was expected from the Opinion Polls.

      So were the Opinion Polls wrong? As I have pointed out previously the Opinion Polls are carried out from relatively small percentages of the Electorate. They may claim to use Scientific Sampling techniques but no small sample can be a truly accurate sample.

      Not everybody who was registered to Vote did Vote. The percentage was high but nowhere near 100%.

      But I do wonder if with all the reports of intimidation many had given the answer that the Pollster or even the Party Worker expected to hear. In case anybody wonders about this even in a UK General Election Voters on the doorstep will often state that they will Vote for which ever Party the Worker is from who is on their doorstep.

      There seems to be a school of thought that if they say they are going to vote Tory and it is a Labour Party Worker they are inviting the Party Worker to spend half a hour or so trying to convince the Voter to Vote Labour instead. In reality the Party Worker is in a hurry and just does not have time to waste trying to convince a Voter on the doorstep that they should change their mind.

      Then when the Voter got into the Polling Booth and was faced with the Ballot Paper the significance of the Vote finally hit them.

      After all if they Voted Yes it was a jump into the Unknown while a No Vote was for essentially the Status Quo So I find myself wondering how many changed their Vote when they actually stood there with the Ballot Paper in front of them?

      I don’t know how many have been watching the reaction to the Campaign around the World. Many Countries have Independence Movements for minorities. Spain Turkey etc The campaigns are invariably Violent with Bombs and Murders. Yet in Scotland for all the reports of intimidation the campaign has been Non-Violent. The other Countries have wondered about what was happening and finding it hard to understand.

      One interview on the BBC has caused me concern. This Vote was supposed to be the end of the call for independence. Yet a Yes Campaigner said on the BBC ‘That we would get it right next time’.
      Surely there will not be a ‘next time.’

  • northumbrian
    2 years ago

    one mans intimidation ,is another mans point made with conviction,
    and one mans scaremongering, is another mans clear facts,
    we have seen little intimidation other than the usual suspects using it as an excuse to be their normal selves

  • 2 years ago

    ….other than the usual suspects using it as an excuse to be their normal selves

    Such a great way to put it :D

  • UlsterGooner
    2 years ago

    Salmond rejected by his own constituency and all he did was divide Scotland. He won’t resign though and will probably claim that more devolved powers is a victory for Scotland which he delivered. Business as usual for all of us. I’ll boycot those courier firms who charge extra for mainland deliveries.

  • boardsurfer
    2 years ago

    “He won’t resign though ”

    Don’t sometimes just wish you hadn’t typed something?

    whether independence was good idea , bad idea or would have made no overall difference we shall never know.

    so all the gum bumping in the world will make no difference.

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