PayPal expand Buyer & Seller Protection
PayPal have just emailed their customer base with links to a new microsite detailing their new Seller and Buyer protection updates. The highlights are:
From the 17th of June disputes can be opened by buyers for up to 180 days (was 45 days).
You’ll need to keep your proof of deliveries for 6 months instead of a month and a half!
UK buyer protection for services, digital goods, travel, event tickets and other intangible items
You need to be able to provide “compelling proof” that you supplied the item. PayPal give the example “if you sold a music download, you might consider providing proof that you sent the buyer the link to the download and proof that the buyer accessed the download, giving dates and times”
Reminder that PayPal expanded their Seller Protection Policy for unconfirmed shipping addresses
You can sell anywhere in the world and you’ll still be covered regardless of the shipping address the buyer provides, so long as you follow the normal PayPal requirements and only ship to the address on the PayPal payments page.
PayPal are very proud that there’s no limit to the value of each transaction they’ll protect. They say that PayPal are the only major payments provider in the UK to offer this kind of seller protection at no additional charge.
As always we recommend that you read all the information for yourself and check what applies to your business. Full details on the PayPal site.
Will eBay be keeping sales records live for 180 days?
Great point, this may need to be a possibility if paypal want to extend this.
Have Paypal been made to offer 180 protection by any legal judgement? It seems overly generous and seems open to abuse.
Extended disputes to 180 days could only be spun by ebay / paypal as seller protection; share price down again so must be time to beat the sellers with another stick. They seem committed to driving away the very sellers that made ebay a success whilst protecting their diamond sellers who will drop them like a stone when sales fall. Couple this with the fall in auction format listings by 9% I think they have lost sight of what attracts buyers to ebay as a venue, a wide range of interesting products, not generic mass produced tut and their hell bent driving away the very sellers who list it with JD’s “mall” vision. The likes of Etsy, Ruby Lane etc must be rolling around laughing at each and every new announcement from ebay towers….
This needs to be partnered into ebay surely. If so then surely we may as well all state 180 days for buyer returns as well. Because since when was the last time a seller won a case?
Its a bit sad, because if a zip on coat broke, after 35 days from a high street seller no refund. But if it broke after 180 on ebay/paypal you can return.
In the end free returns, 180 day returns, free blowies every order. Simply make me keep bumping up the price of the goods for sale. As it adds to my bottom line which is already not huge.
As if fighting fraud with eBay wasn’t hard enough, who is going to be able to prove delivery or not SIX months later.
I’ve just checked various Royal Mail and Fedex tracking numbers, and even where the items are sent tracked, after 5 months the numbers aren’t all on the systems. As for untracked goods, the volume of INR claims after 4 to 5 months will go through the roof.
I think it’s fair to say one of the intentions of this policy was to cover items which hitherto fell outside of the 45 days.
Examples are for instance ticket sales where the event is in three months time and tickets won’t be issued until a couple of weeks before the event.
Another example is to cover buyers from the more disreputable sellers who attempt to spin out an item not received claim with a “wait up to 28 days for delivery from some far flung corner of the globe and then we’ve sent you another one so allow another couple of weeks” when actually they’ve done nothing but keep the buyer hanging on until the 45 days has expired and they’re stuffed.
Of course that doesn’t help the decent seller who gets a claim after five and a half months, shipped tracked and now the courier no longer has a record of the delivery…
Just remembered that of course ticket sales are now through Stubhub… but you know what I mean, pre-release games consoles/smartphones or similar would come under the same example 🙂
Ah! Silly me. I had visions of peeps sending stuff back at just short of the 6 months because poor Rex had passed on.
(As he won’t be needing the clippers anymore!)
Rex could be a dog, a horse, a great uncle – what you will.
So this is all about competing with ‘Pay with Amazon’ then?
Pretty sure the limit for filing RM claims is about 60 days…so how are you supposed to file a claim if the buyer decides the item got lost 180 days later?!
Surely we have available a system already that could partly alleviate the problems. That is the much maligned Feedback System?
I have always liked the Feedback system because when a customer leaves Feedback on a particular transaction he/she is confirming that the goods have arrived and are in a good condition. So if say 50% of customers were to leave Feedback it has to be just about impossible at some later date for those customers to register an INR. I have not done a full analysis of my Feedback but a rough examination of the last couple of months indicates that about 75% of my customers have left Feedback..probably because I ask on my paperwork for them to do so. And as I am running a steady 100% and have been for a long time I must be doing something right.
In my case I file a copy of my paperwork and I staple the Proof of Posting to it. So I have almost all my proof of postings filed since I started.
So if I did get problems surely it would be amongst those that did not leave Feedback rather than potentially from ALL of my customers?
in theory yes, in practice no. I have had INR cases from customers who left pos feedback, even saying item received the decide to claim INR. Spoke to ebay, they say f/b isn’t proof buyer received item as they could have left pos feedback in error and i would need to get buyer to send ebay message to state item received but why would buyer do this when they have just claimed INR! typical useless ebay response
O.K. Not foolproof but surely somebody who has left glowing feedback is much less likely later on to claim INR?
Yes..its good to have seller protection extended but they could go for 60 days on physical goods.
We trust this will cover you for purchases from and sales to Cuba!
Theres no such thing as “seller protection”. Its a myth thats sold to sellers to get them to go along with the nefarious, devious and mostly illegal plans that eBay and Paypal cook up.
One also must remember that PP isnt a credit card company. They are simply a “merchant processor” – you can be one too if you get a terminal (real or virtual) from a bank to accept credit cards.
PP if this was “The Sopranos” are the leg breakers/enforcers for eBay. That is why they discourage/disallow most other payment methods – since if they allowed them, they’de have no control over you.
eBays goal in life is to seperate you from the money in your wallet – NOT to run an ecommerce company. Just look at the rules/issues they choose to create and enforce – its plainly obvious except the most obtuse eBay/PP chearleader.
Only eBay/PP could spin 180day returns/disputes into “Seller Protection” …. how is any seller being protected? Sellers can get negatives, low DSR scores and even “Defects” even if the PO says the item was delivered. How does letting buyers open cases 6 months later against sellers protect them against ANYTHING ?
Like VERO and “Trust & Safety” this too is the boogeyman., the Loch Ness Monster, Yeti or Big Foot – myth, legend and not fact.
Ecen if one was to blame Visa & Mastercard, ie new requirements from them – PP has all this data (delivery daa) in their system already – its a sham to put the onus on sellers.
Beyond that, 180days is simply abusive. 5 is more then adequate to solve issues – if you dont know that your toaster is broken by the 45th day – then you will never know it.
There may be specific rules for items that are promised in advance (ie concert tix for gigs 6months later) but those are the excpetion and NOT the rule.
This is simply another case of eBay who swears in French Courts tha they are “just a venue”, but still force the leg breakers at PP to make a sellers life miserable and open them to and expose them to fraud, deceit and abuse “just because”.
Shame on you PP, shame.