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20 free listings every month for eBay UK private sellers

By Dan Wilson April 9, 2014 - 5:52 pm

Commencing on the 13th May, eBay UK will be dramatically simplifying the fee structures for private sellers.

In the first instance, every private seller will now qualify for 20 free listings each month. Excluding Motors, these listings can be auction or fixed price with any start price. Once sellers have exhausted their supply of 0 freebies, the current system of insertion fees will be swept away. All listings will cost 35p.

eBay will also be offering private sellers the opportunity to schedule 0 items for free each month. Final value fees will remain unchanged. There is more detail on the eBay site.

Also, according to the FAQs, eBay says it will continue to run regular pricing promos alongside this new deal.

This major step for private sellers makes an awful lot of sense and is the latest step in simplifying eBay’s previously byzantine fee structures that were both bewildering and off-putting, especially for the uninitiated.

  • 3 years ago

    It’s the changes to the way in which basic shop fees are dealt with which interests me. As a private seller I had grown quite accustomed to my 200 free listings and then 20p per listing thereafter. And with 10p for media items it was a bargain. I’m looking at spending £140 a month in listing fees as opposed to just £45. This is seriously going to affect my status as an eBay seller.

    • JohnR
      3 years ago

      I can’t see anywhere it says that they are getting rid of basic shops for private sellers.

    • 3 years ago

      Re Basic Shops. It is explicitly dealt with in the FAQs.

      Under the What if I am worse off? heading

      http://portal.ebay.co.uk/good-surprise/faqs?_trksid=p2063076.m2236

    • JD
      3 years ago

      Or they could have replaced the existing answer to ‘What if I am worse off?’ simply with TOUGH.

    • 3 years ago

      They’re not getting rid of them, just making them far less attractive to use!

  • Tony
    3 years ago

    They are describing it as a ‘nice surprise’ for private sellers – I can’t see what’s nice about it as they’re removing the 100 free listings under £1.00 and replacing it with 20 free listings at any amount. I cannot afford 35p per listing as a private seller

  • El_Ba
    3 years ago

    Good morning,

    In Germany this listing upgrade was introduced quite a while ago and it is a positive thing for private sellers (not very positive for striggling small business sellers though). Private sellers can list for free not only 20 items. eBay still runs additional free listing weekends as often as it is used to be. I am confident here in the UK it is going to be the same. But I have to say that in Germany there are not so many “private” sellers who openly list loads of items again and again. It is very different, because no business seller (regardless of the size of his/her business) would tolerate unfair competition. What we have in the UK?! Apalling situation. There are “private” sellers who list 100-150 items on a systematic basis. There are also business sellers out there who parallely list privately their “defect” or excess stock. All this behaviour wouldn’t be tolerated in Germany. There are hundreds of so-called “Abmahnanwalt”‘s, lawyers who specialise in all sorts of unfair competition or online fraud cases. If you are spotted by them, you will need to be paying very high price for only a small profit you think you made while “cheating” the system.

    Regards, El_Ba

  • 3 years ago

    I may be being a bit thick. However I get the impression from the posting that it is going to cost 35p to list a 99p item. That is not a surprise thats a savage kick in the teeth for a large number of Private Sellers.

    In fact even over £1 sales value 35p is a savage kick in the teeth unless of course you are going to only sell very expensive(over say £20 items) as a Private Seller. In other words the Private Seller can almost be expected to disappear over night on the 13th May…..perhaps thats the intention???

  • northumbrian
    3 years ago

    wonderful
    your either a private seller or a business seller

    if your listing regularly for profit its a business
    so stop whinging do your fiddling or pay your dues and register as a business

    • 3 years ago

      You could be right. But there has to be a level at which above that level you are a Business Seller and Below that level you are a Private Seller.

      So let us imagine Turnover. Are you a Business Seller with an Annual Turnover of say £50? or £100? or £500? or £1,000? or £2,500? or £5,000? or £10,000? I am happy to consider your ideas. After all you and others have said that because I sell a few Books I must be a Business Seller. Now to Premises. I sit here in my spare bedroom and the books are in a spare room downstairs. Does that mean that I have premises? Now to employees. I am sitting here and my only ‘Assistance’ comes from a cat that sits in my window and looks at me. Does that qualify as having ‘Staff’? Again I will leave it up to you. After all you and such as Cambridge_Blue(or any of the other names he uses) are obviously the experts.

      HMRC, Paypal, ebay etc are happy that I am a Private Seller. After all years ago I used to Wholesale and Retail at Specialist Events such as Traction Engine Rallies. I no longer retail anywhere apart from on ebay and I have not taken a stall to such as a Traction Engine Rally for years. I keep thinking about trying it again but what with my back and lung problems I do not know if I could manage it. But you are the experts you state the limits and lets discuss them.

    • mw
      3 years ago

      HMRC stated at a recent “training” event that if you buy anything to specifically sell on (at a profit or at a loss) you are in business and should declare the income no matter how little that income is as part of your annual tax return. They were unclear about buying new items and selling on as used – eg buying a new dvd, watching it once, then selling it as used – technical they though it should be declared but it depended on reasonable volume. I guess ebay will look to abide by the same rules.

    • northumbrian
      3 years ago

      does that mean if we turn over billions less than Microsoft ,own a dog are balding and have false teeth ,we don’t need to pay tax or vat ?

    • 3 years ago

      It is certainly correct that you should declare any and all income and indeed make certain that HMRC knows where it comes from and what it represents. I certainly do. Also that you declare any and all expences involved in making those sales. This of course includes such as ebay fees and charges; Paypal charges, Postage and Packing Costs etc. All such Income and Expenditure should be declared and if you have to pay anybody such as the Post Office when you post the parcels out that you get a receipt from the Post Office and keep it in a file with your Accounts. After all HMRC may want to see them.

      However HMRC usually is not interested if any such income is either low or comes from such as selling the childrens old toys and clothes. But no matter what you were selling I would argue that it is wise to keep a full record.

      If what you are doing proves to be successful and grows into a fully fledged business then HMRC may want to go back into its history. If they do then you have it all on file. If however it does not develop into a fully fledged business then apart from having spent a few hours keeping the accounts straight then you have nothing to fear. Then of course you could have some clown making allegations about what you have or have not been doing. Again you have full details all filed away. After all if some clown does make allegations and HMRC or indeed anybody else wants to check up and you have not got it all filed Just try remembering what you were doing and when? I know I cannot remember which is why I keep extensive files.

    • 3 years ago

      As to the point about Buying New and then at some later date selling it as Used after having used it for a while. Surely that is exactly what many Sellers on ebay do every day. Mrs Smith has bought new clothes for her children. The Children have worn them for days, weeks or months and then having grown out of them Mrs Smith wants to sell them and is likely to use the monies that she gets for them towards clothes in a larger size for her children.

      Firstly she is likely to get less for her secondhand clothes than she gave for them New. However she should still declare the monies on her returns and make very certain that she makes it very clear that the proceeds are from selling secondhand items from within the family. If she has bought items from Car Boot Sales, Charity Shops, Friends or Neighbours with the idea of selling them on ebay then of course she should declare what she bought them for and later sold them. However if she bought secondhand and used them for a while before selling them on she should declare this.

      However HMRC is unlikely to be interested unless the values start to climb. If you sell say £1,000 per annum of secondhand items HMRC is not going to be interested. But you have made certain that it is on file. But if on the other hand you sold say £50,000 of secondhand items in a year then HMRC almost certainly will be very interested because no matter how you dress it up it has to be a business.

      But as I have said on so many occassions I have nothing to hide so I keep extensive accounts and always declare everything to the HMRC and other authorities.

    • 3 years ago

      I’m a business seller so this doesn’t affect me but I fail to see any negative to this for private sellers. If you are only clearing out unwanted items from your home then these listing fees seem very fair. If you are consistently purchasing items to resell then you are a business and this doesn’t affect you anyway.

  • Gary
    3 years ago

    If you are a private seller selling why is 35p to list not affordable?

    It is more affordable than 50p or 80p or whatever the former listing fees were.

    • 3 years ago

      Had the previous Listing Fees been 50p or 80p then I would certainly agree. But when I listed Books I was charged 10p and when I listed Books as a Buy it Now I was charged 20p. As I did not list in other categories I obviously cannot confirm what the relevant charges were in those categories.

  • paddy
    3 years ago

    I don’t sell much privately but I’m in favour of the changes. Rather than wait for a free listing day realistic prices can set set whenever you want them to be listed.

  • Jem
    3 years ago

    I can’t work out if you get 20 x free listings PLUS 20 x free scheduled listings = so 40 x free listings … or 20 x free listings which can be schdueled if you wish … Anyone?

  • Gary
    3 years ago

    Would agree that for those genuine private sellers of unwanted household items the new fee structure is positive.

    Hobby sellers of large collections up until now have been milking the system with their small value, but large in number, penny sales (or none sales more likely). If a hobby seller is genuinely selling a collection then simply plonk the whole collection on ebay once as a BIN for ££££ or whatever you think the whole collection is worth. You can list it forever at no cost until it sells. Surely this is far better use of time? We only live once after all!

    • 3 years ago

      I agree that for the “genuine private sellers” who simply want to get rid of a few DVDs and CD’s it is probably a good move. But surely ebay should be nurturing those of us with large collections to make it easier for us to sell. Sure at 35p a pop they will get more money from listing fees, but for me I am seriously going to have to look at the job lot sales you have recommended. Meaning I won’t get as much for my items and ebay won’t get neither the listing fees (because they will be free) or quite as big a piece of the pie come final value fee time, because the amount my collection has sold for won’t be as much.

    • Gary
      3 years ago

      Not forgetting all those Paypal 20p’s that will be saved by job lotting.

      And by job lotting your monthly sales may actually rise relative to the effort put in which means ebays take rises not falls.

  • mw
    3 years ago

    I am coming to the view that ebay are working very hard to get rid of sellers below a certain cash generated for them level. Almost everything that has happened or is about to happen seems to point at this by winding both business and private sellers up.

  • Gary
    3 years ago

    I don’t think ebay are working hard to get rid of sellers below a certain cash value. They are encouraging sellers to work smarter with this move which is a win-win both for sellers and ebay.

    And job lotting may well make ebay a more interesting place as there will be less duplication of the same old 99p items appearing and more unique job lots to view which should benefit the ebay search algorithm. And anything that improves ebay search is good for everybody!

    • mw
      3 years ago

      This is just 1 in a series of changes that have or will negatively impact on smaller sellers, whilst not affecting big sellers because of their size and done by employee not owner management of listings.
      I’m not just taking this one out of context. I’m expressing an opinion over a wider field of activity.
      I have heard Gumtree (another ebay owned company) advertised on DAB radio a lot recently and am wondering if ebay are trying to move small sellers there and leave the ebay field open for the big players more. That can’t be good for choice or value for money.

  • 3 years ago

    Gary has made some comments about Private Sellers who have large collections which they sell off for only a few pennies each. I am not certain what collections he is talking about. I collect Model Buses and Model Ships. Over the last few years I have regularly bought a few of each off ebay. These regularly sell for a few pounds not a few pennies.

    Let us imagine that a collector has say 20 model buses to sell and he is stupid enough to take any notice at all of Gary. He puts in a Lot of 20 model buses for a starting price of say £100. Well I would look at the collection but it is unlikely that I would bid £100. Although if they were individually listed at say £5 each it is possible that I may bid for one or two of them that I was interested in.

    The lot would probably not sell, not every lot now sells. It is relisted again and probably again. In the past Gary has been very critical of Private Sellers putting very high prices on their goods. In this case the opening price may be reasonable but collectors like myself might not want the complete collection. So why should we bid for 20 items in one lot if we only are really interested in 2 or 3 of them.

    Essentially the current systerm is very good. The Collector selling off his collection lists them one at a time because he knows(even if Gary does not have a clue) that collectors make up their own minds as to what they are interested in and bid accordingly.