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You're a liar, no you're a liar!

By Chris Dawson August 8, 2007 - 3:30 pm

eBay are examining the process of Significantly Not As Described items. Buyers and sellers disagreeing over the condition of an item is always going to arise, especially as it’s often a subjective opinion.

A bigger problem is if the item arrives back damaged, broken and not in the condition it was sent out in. Even worse is the rare case where a buyer sends back an empty box or a box of junk just to get a tracking number. eBay want to hear from anyone this has happened to on The Chatter. Griff has some great tips on how to avoid Not As Described claims.

Not As Described claims are fairly rare, normally the seller and buyer are able to mutually come to a satisfactory outcome without needing to resort to a claim. In fact for business sellers the Distance Selling Regulations give the buyer the right to return an item and the seller is obligated to accept the return without a reason being given. Fraudulent Not As Described claims are even rarer.

Today however I came across a story which goes one better – a Fradulent, Fraudulent Not as Described Claim!

A buyer received an item which arrived damaged, upon contacting the seller she received a point blank “No Returns”. She returned the item with tracking and PayPal refunded her. Next thing she knows the police are banging on her door, searching her house and have arrested her! She was accused of having sent a metal bolt as a return instead of the item, a gold charm. The buyer was released without charge when she told her story and maintains her innocence. This really does sound like a seller with a grudge causing trouble.

The good news is that (in the UK at least) it’s been established that the police do and will take fraudulent claims seriously, even when the value of the item is only £14.91. Sellers who refuse returns or don’t cover items in transit should reconsider their terms of trading. Even if you’re a private seller PayPal will still insist the item is delivered intact to the buyer and business sellers have no choice.

eBay have a tough job adjudicating this type of claim. The good news is only a tiny percentage of buyers file more than one claim a year (the majority files none). If a buyer files multiple claims, particularly multiple SNAD claims, they will stick out like a sore thumb.

Sellers with too many claims against them will also find PayPal investigating their account, and with eBay enforcing the seller non-performance policy more rigorously will soon find themselves no longer able to trade.

  • northumbrian
    10 years ago

    are these potential frudulent SNAD buyers !the same basically good ebayers ?,

    this highlights one of the many reasons I dont leave feedback first

  • 10 years ago

    They’re very few and far between North, at least the really obstreperous ones are. Most people would rather amicably settle any issues than get embroiled in PayPal chargebacks and the like. It’s just a very few sellers and buyers that don’t actually want to be reasonable :-(

  • 10 years ago

    This again makes my point beautifully. Lets say one in a million or whatever eBay buyers might put in a fake SNAD claim. Do you run things to fit the one, or the 999,999? It doesn’t even make sense mathematically.

  • northumbrian
    10 years ago

    I run things to make profit ,
    faith hope and charity I leave to the local vicar thats his franchise

  • 10 years ago

    Absolutely. It’s my opinion that if you treat people as though you trust them, you make more profit. I’ll give you another, non-feedback example.

    Last week, I sent two buyers the wrong packages – they had very similar names and I swapped the address labels over. I recently read a thread on an eBay message board where several sellers said that if they’d done similar, they’d want the wrong items back before they dispatched the right ones, otherwise the buyer might keep both.

    Personally, I sent the buyers the right items together with an SAE to return the wrong ones. Both buyers returned the items, and both buyers have bought from me again subsequently – one even saying that it was because it’d been sorted out so easily that she came back.

    Treating people as though they’re honest generates sales. QED.

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