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		<title>By: Toby</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2009/11/ebay-messages-its-bad-to-talk.html#comment-23515</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I jsut used communication with others to prevent a fraud.  A buyer claimed item not received, which I was about to voluntarily refund for, but noticed things didn&#039;t appear to be quite right.

Their feedback,  showed a very large percentage of transactions with another id in the paypal confirmed location the items were shipped to (which was far different then the ebay registered location).  These ids had bought and sold to each other over 2 years piles of times...and amazingly were ale to leave feedback 2 minutes after the item ended.

Since ebay has hidden so much information I used goofbay to see buys/sells going back months.  It appeared items bough from one of these ids would get sold by the other.  It seemed really strange that the person had bought a number of items the same as the one I sold, and never left feedback except when their shill bidding made them win it from themself

So I probably broke some rules and messaged a couple of the sellers that the buyer hadn&#039;t left feedback for, and sure enough their items &quot;hadn&#039;t arrived&quot; either.

The buyer opened a paypal claim against me, and I told them I knew what they were doing and I&#039;d be making a police report as soon as I lost the money.  The paypal claim was closed, and buyer left me a neg while sending me a message that my item had initially been delivered to the wrong address and had just been received.  I told the buyer I would ask Canada Post to investigate why so much o their mail isn&#039;t be delivered properly if the neg wasn&#039;t removed, and the buyer asked to remove it.

I know claims against some other sellers were closed at that time.  The buyer had over 300 all positive feedback, at a glance looked like a great ebayer.  Who knows how much they&#039;ve stolen from others.   it appeared they only left feedback as a buyer for very low priced items or items that would have to be sent tracked.

Ebay removed a few of the recent feedback between this persons 2 ids but left most of it, and contact info was changed (still false I believe) on several of us reporting this to them.  neither Id NARU though (no activity since though.

Without being able to contact some other sellers I wouldn&#039;t have been able to know for sure the not received complaint was false, and there would be no way to get together to go to the police if necessary...and the buyer would be ripping off more people as I type

It probably would have been me in trouble with ebay for contacting others and threatening this fraudster with a police report if he&#039;d reported me to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I jsut used communication with others to prevent a fraud.  A buyer claimed item not received, which I was about to voluntarily refund for, but noticed things didn&#8217;t appear to be quite right.</p>
<p>Their feedback,  showed a very large percentage of transactions with another id in the paypal confirmed location the items were shipped to (which was far different then the ebay registered location).  These ids had bought and sold to each other over 2 years piles of times&#8230;and amazingly were ale to leave feedback 2 minutes after the item ended.</p>
<p>Since ebay has hidden so much information I used goofbay to see buys/sells going back months.  It appeared items bough from one of these ids would get sold by the other.  It seemed really strange that the person had bought a number of items the same as the one I sold, and never left feedback except when their shill bidding made them win it from themself</p>
<p>So I probably broke some rules and messaged a couple of the sellers that the buyer hadn&#8217;t left feedback for, and sure enough their items &#8220;hadn&#8217;t arrived&#8221; either.</p>
<p>The buyer opened a paypal claim against me, and I told them I knew what they were doing and I&#8217;d be making a police report as soon as I lost the money.  The paypal claim was closed, and buyer left me a neg while sending me a message that my item had initially been delivered to the wrong address and had just been received.  I told the buyer I would ask Canada Post to investigate why so much o their mail isn&#8217;t be delivered properly if the neg wasn&#8217;t removed, and the buyer asked to remove it.</p>
<p>I know claims against some other sellers were closed at that time.  The buyer had over 300 all positive feedback, at a glance looked like a great ebayer.  Who knows how much they&#8217;ve stolen from others.   it appeared they only left feedback as a buyer for very low priced items or items that would have to be sent tracked.</p>
<p>Ebay removed a few of the recent feedback between this persons 2 ids but left most of it, and contact info was changed (still false I believe) on several of us reporting this to them.  neither Id NARU though (no activity since though.</p>
<p>Without being able to contact some other sellers I wouldn&#8217;t have been able to know for sure the not received complaint was false, and there would be no way to get together to go to the police if necessary&#8230;and the buyer would be ripping off more people as I type</p>
<p>It probably would have been me in trouble with ebay for contacting others and threatening this fraudster with a police report if he&#8217;d reported me to them.</p>
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		<title>By: IslandWave</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2009/11/ebay-messages-its-bad-to-talk.html#comment-23514</link>
		<dc:creator>IslandWave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way I see it, if people want to avoid eBay fees they will be a lot more creative than using the messaging system.

I routinely contact my trading partners through messaging because of my niche (punk+heavy metal vinyl records) is inducive to buyers/sellers chatting about bands that we like.

I was under the assumption eBay wanted us to stick with their internal system. Well, now I&#039;ll just directly email my trading partners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I see it, if people want to avoid eBay fees they will be a lot more creative than using the messaging system.</p>
<p>I routinely contact my trading partners through messaging because of my niche (punk+heavy metal vinyl records) is inducive to buyers/sellers chatting about bands that we like.</p>
<p>I was under the assumption eBay wanted us to stick with their internal system. Well, now I&#8217;ll just directly email my trading partners.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2009/11/ebay-messages-its-bad-to-talk.html#comment-23513</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the reason may be partly due to some of the new large companies selling on eBay like buy.com eBay is known as a site where asking questions is common, but to these large companies excessive question asking is an expense they would rather avoid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason may be partly due to some of the new large companies selling on eBay like buy.com eBay is known as a site where asking questions is common, but to these large companies excessive question asking is an expense they would rather avoid.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2009/11/ebay-messages-its-bad-to-talk.html#comment-23512</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

eBay might have stuck with Skype when their model was insertion fee based.

That they have not kept Skype is a reflection of the &#039;current&#039; final value fee based model.

Next year who knows?

We might go around again quite soon!


PS Listing quality would undoubtedly be improved by an insertion fee based model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>eBay might have stuck with Skype when their model was insertion fee based.</p>
<p>That they have not kept Skype is a reflection of the &#8216;current&#8217; final value fee based model.</p>
<p>Next year who knows?</p>
<p>We might go around again quite soon!</p>
<p>PS Listing quality would undoubtedly be improved by an insertion fee based model.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Dawson</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2009/11/ebay-messages-its-bad-to-talk.html#comment-23511</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A sadly missed opportunity if you ask me :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A sadly missed opportunity if you ask me <img src='http://tamebay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Elspeth</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2009/11/ebay-messages-its-bad-to-talk.html#comment-23510</link>
		<dc:creator>Elspeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was definitely a good opportunity for eBay and Skype to work together on this one at one time.. :twisted:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was definitely a good opportunity for eBay and Skype to work together on this one at one time.. <img src='http://tamebay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif' alt=':twisted:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2009/11/ebay-messages-its-bad-to-talk.html#comment-23509</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe this is why skype was not fully integrated.  Its a shame really, as good customer service requires quality tools :shock:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this is why skype was not fully integrated.  Its a shame really, as good customer service requires quality tools <img src='http://tamebay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif' alt=':shock:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Linzi</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2009/11/ebay-messages-its-bad-to-talk.html#comment-23508</link>
		<dc:creator>Linzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one that really drives me absolutely crazy is that ebay have now prevented you from just replying to the message it generates when a buyer wants to let you know they are paying by cheque, PO or bank transfer.
I always used to just reply with &#039;thanks for letting me know I will keep an eye out for it&quot; and I almost always got a quick reply from the buyer thanking me for bothering to acknowledge it.

It feels so rude not to answer! So ebay 2.0 in fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one that really drives me absolutely crazy is that ebay have now prevented you from just replying to the message it generates when a buyer wants to let you know they are paying by cheque, PO or bank transfer.<br />
I always used to just reply with &#8216;thanks for letting me know I will keep an eye out for it&#8221; and I almost always got a quick reply from the buyer thanking me for bothering to acknowledge it.</p>
<p>It feels so rude not to answer! So ebay 2.0 in fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not agree more, Sue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not agree more, Sue!</p>
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		<title>By: SinBad</title>
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		<dc:creator>SinBad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had one of those eBay messages. I think its terrible. Talk about a police state. What happened to democracy and freedom of speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had one of those eBay messages. I think its terrible. Talk about a police state. What happened to democracy and freedom of speech.</p>
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