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		<title>By: tabberone</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2009/07/vero-strikes-again.html#comment-19363</link>
		<dc:creator>tabberone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;eBay have told us that they do carry out due diligence when an IP rights Owner first registers with VeRO.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

This statement by eBay is not true. eBay attempted to verify rights owners in 2000 but soon stopped. eBay is a collective of legal and moral cowards when it comes to VeRO. A simple statement that one owns the rights claimed  is all that is required.

eBay can require the VeRO member respond within a certain time period but does not. eBay can require that the VeRO member give exact reasons for the takedowns but eBay does not. eBay could have an appeals process whereby the seller could argue their case to eBay and make the VeRO member more accountable but ebay does not.

The statement that eBay does not &lt;i&gt;&quot;generally enforce third party contracts like exclusivity agreements&quot;&lt;/i&gt; is another lie by eBay. eBay doesn&#039;t care who orders the takedown as long as eBay is legally protected by paperwork where the VeRO member states they own the rights. This sort of abuse happens every day and rarely does eBay get involved. eBay&#039;s automated response system allows eBay to avoid getting involved.

eBay has gotten so big that eBay doesn&#039;t know what it is doing half the time and the other half of the time it doesn&#039;t care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;eBay have told us that they do carry out due diligence when an IP rights Owner first registers with VeRO.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This statement by eBay is not true. eBay attempted to verify rights owners in 2000 but soon stopped. eBay is a collective of legal and moral cowards when it comes to VeRO. A simple statement that one owns the rights claimed  is all that is required.</p>
<p>eBay can require the VeRO member respond within a certain time period but does not. eBay can require that the VeRO member give exact reasons for the takedowns but eBay does not. eBay could have an appeals process whereby the seller could argue their case to eBay and make the VeRO member more accountable but ebay does not.</p>
<p>The statement that eBay does not <i>&#8220;generally enforce third party contracts like exclusivity agreements&#8221;</i> is another lie by eBay. eBay doesn&#8217;t care who orders the takedown as long as eBay is legally protected by paperwork where the VeRO member states they own the rights. This sort of abuse happens every day and rarely does eBay get involved. eBay&#8217;s automated response system allows eBay to avoid getting involved.</p>
<p>eBay has gotten so big that eBay doesn&#8217;t know what it is doing half the time and the other half of the time it doesn&#8217;t care.</p>
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		<title>By: Lino</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2009/07/vero-strikes-again.html#comment-19362</link>
		<dc:creator>Lino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@34. Me neither, but I do sort of agree with the general point I think 33 is making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@34. Me neither, but I do sort of agree with the general point I think 33 is making.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;givemeabreak&lt;/b&gt;

Again you&#039;re talking rubbish, these shirts were selling for $18 and that is a fair price for a shirt which was originally bough for $4 in the shop in question.

Prices were not ridiculous - they were fair for a decent product and the profit on the shirts was at least $8 after ebay &amp; paypal fees - that is not pricing people out of selling, wake up and stop telling people off like they/we were doing something wrong...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>givemeabreak</b></p>
<p>Again you&#8217;re talking rubbish, these shirts were selling for $18 and that is a fair price for a shirt which was originally bough for $4 in the shop in question.</p>
<p>Prices were not ridiculous &#8211; they were fair for a decent product and the profit on the shirts was at least $8 after ebay &amp; paypal fees &#8211; that is not pricing people out of selling, wake up and stop telling people off like they/we were doing something wrong&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another thing #33, this has got nothing to do with the price some sellers were selling their shirts for, some of us were selling for fair prices with fair P&amp;P - this is all about unfair removal of listings and account suspension because a flimsy document was submitted to ebay!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another thing #33, this has got nothing to do with the price some sellers were selling their shirts for, some of us were selling for fair prices with fair P&amp;P &#8211; this is all about unfair removal of listings and account suspension because a flimsy document was submitted to ebay!</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2009/07/vero-strikes-again.html#comment-19359</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#33 is talking a load of rubbish, competition is natural in a marketplace and sellers in that marketplace don&#039;t deserve to be suspended because some crafty person has taken rights away from other sellers!

This new &#039;rights holder&#039; is going to dominate the market with their own prices - is that healthy??

I suspect #33 was written by the person who took this disgraceful action in the first place, or possibly the shop?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33 is talking a load of rubbish, competition is natural in a marketplace and sellers in that marketplace don&#8217;t deserve to be suspended because some crafty person has taken rights away from other sellers!</p>
<p>This new &#8216;rights holder&#8217; is going to dominate the market with their own prices &#8211; is that healthy??</p>
<p>I suspect #33 was written by the person who took this disgraceful action in the first place, or possibly the shop?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: givemeabreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>givemeabreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then you are maybe just not bright enough to undertand what i mean...i am not a native english speaker but i think my message is easy to understand...

thats exactly the problem...you people dont care if the price gets dumped again and again, and thats why you will not be able to sell that brand anymore.
You People destroyed the marketprice for that products, and people who import the articles into their countrys are not able to sell them anymore for a reasonable price because they need to pay taxes, import duty and so on...you are acting selfish and just really stupid if you sell that shirts for 12-16 Dollars include shipping! That sucks and it was time that something happen against it to protect the brand and the sellers from other countrys from more demage! Go to school and learn something about economy and marketing if you dont understand that...

Try to buy products from another big clothing brand in the US, for example Ed H. and then try to sell them abroad on ebay...you will not be able to do that because they have in every country importers with a license to distribute them there exclusively...they will remove your listings as well because the articles are not licensed to be sold there..never heard about that?? Thats how it works and its necessary to do it that way to protect the sellers in the specific countrys from people like you who dump the price and dont care about other peoples businesses ...a good organized distribution can only work that way and will not work if everybody can buy that articles for the same cheap wholesale price and sell them everywhere for a dumping price ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then you are maybe just not bright enough to undertand what i mean&#8230;i am not a native english speaker but i think my message is easy to understand&#8230;</p>
<p>thats exactly the problem&#8230;you people dont care if the price gets dumped again and again, and thats why you will not be able to sell that brand anymore.<br />
You People destroyed the marketprice for that products, and people who import the articles into their countrys are not able to sell them anymore for a reasonable price because they need to pay taxes, import duty and so on&#8230;you are acting selfish and just really stupid if you sell that shirts for 12-16 Dollars include shipping! That sucks and it was time that something happen against it to protect the brand and the sellers from other countrys from more demage! Go to school and learn something about economy and marketing if you dont understand that&#8230;</p>
<p>Try to buy products from another big clothing brand in the US, for example Ed H. and then try to sell them abroad on ebay&#8230;you will not be able to do that because they have in every country importers with a license to distribute them there exclusively&#8230;they will remove your listings as well because the articles are not licensed to be sold there..never heard about that?? Thats how it works and its necessary to do it that way to protect the sellers in the specific countrys from people like you who dump the price and dont care about other peoples businesses &#8230;a good organized distribution can only work that way and will not work if everybody can buy that articles for the same cheap wholesale price and sell them everywhere for a dumping price &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bigpoppa</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2009/07/vero-strikes-again.html#comment-19357</link>
		<dc:creator>Bigpoppa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#33  I have no idea what you have just said...and I read it twice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33  I have no idea what you have just said&#8230;and I read it twice!</p>
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		<title>By: givemeabreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>givemeabreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You people all complaining about that and state &quot;I have the right to sell that products&quot;...did ever come into your mind that you people destroyed the marketprice from that products by far to much?? If i see that great shirts on ebay for 2,99 Dollar &quot;buy it now&quot; + 10 dollar shipping from people in thailand i could vomit.. for real...you people dont pay taxes and the foreigner living here dont even have a workpermit but work here illegal and state a load of BS like above?`You must kidding... You destroyed the marketprice so far that really honest sellers with a company who need to pay taxes cant earn anymore one cent if they sell that shirts on ebay! It was time to change that and i support absolutely that this stops now! If it would go on and on the brand would be completely worthless very soon! The price battles you did there were just insane and if you dont see that you are blind!...so dont cry, it was your own failure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people all complaining about that and state &#8220;I have the right to sell that products&#8221;&#8230;did ever come into your mind that you people destroyed the marketprice from that products by far to much?? If i see that great shirts on ebay for 2,99 Dollar &#8220;buy it now&#8221; + 10 dollar shipping from people in thailand i could vomit.. for real&#8230;you people dont pay taxes and the foreigner living here dont even have a workpermit but work here illegal and state a load of BS like above?`You must kidding&#8230; You destroyed the marketprice so far that really honest sellers with a company who need to pay taxes cant earn anymore one cent if they sell that shirts on ebay! It was time to change that and i support absolutely that this stops now! If it would go on and on the brand would be completely worthless very soon! The price battles you did there were just insane and if you dont see that you are blind!&#8230;so dont cry, it was your own failure!</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Gerry007&lt;/b&gt;

My complaint is that I&#039;ve seen this document and despite the new &#039;rights holder&#039; saying it is a legal document, I can&#039;t help feel that it is not, it is simply a knock-up of a document, it has a silly red wax seal picture on it and it claims &#039;with this exclusive distribution license for ebay worldwide you get the right to sell XXXX(product name) products. The licensee has the right to advertise, present &amp; sell XXXX with own name &amp; bill.
The distribution license is valid for 5 years and has to be renewed afterwards&#039;

Now, to me, that is pathetic, eBay have seen this document and removed listings, closed accounts &amp; ruined peoples livelihoods in the process.

There are no excuses for what ebay has done, and possibly none for the manufacturer too.

I have given up fighting this and put it down to losing another source of income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Gerry007</b></p>
<p>My complaint is that I&#8217;ve seen this document and despite the new &#8216;rights holder&#8217; saying it is a legal document, I can&#8217;t help feel that it is not, it is simply a knock-up of a document, it has a silly red wax seal picture on it and it claims &#8216;with this exclusive distribution license for ebay worldwide you get the right to sell XXXX(product name) products. The licensee has the right to advertise, present &amp; sell XXXX with own name &amp; bill.<br />
The distribution license is valid for 5 years and has to be renewed afterwards&#8217;</p>
<p>Now, to me, that is pathetic, eBay have seen this document and removed listings, closed accounts &amp; ruined peoples livelihoods in the process.</p>
<p>There are no excuses for what ebay has done, and possibly none for the manufacturer too.</p>
<p>I have given up fighting this and put it down to losing another source of income.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry007</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I have said @4 above....this is very much a case between the manufacturer &amp; the &#039;new&#039; ebay rights seller.

Someone, up high in the manufacturers, must know all &amp; where their buyers sell. They MUST have known what they were signing &amp; who they would effect.
It is they, the manufactuers, who should be in touch, sorting it out with ebay Vero. All the shouting by the previous disgruntled sellers (sorry guys, no badness intended)  will get no one, anywhere.

Regretfully also, the up &amp; coming legal action, will again unfortunately drag on forever (as these things do). You would be surprized how many appeals go on &amp; on &amp; on.......

Maybe the effected sellers, should band together &amp; sue the Manufacturer for the profits they are loosing....&amp;, I don&#039;t often stand up for ebay, but afer the recent cases, they are treadfing carefully.

As for the recent petition, sent around by ebay..........Sorry ebay, it&#039;s in the delete folder, If ebay want to encourage the big boys, that&#039;s fine, but you cannot have it both ways. It is upto ebay (as the selling platform) to make certain what can &amp; what cannot be sold on their site.
If ebay expect the small seller, to sell on the  site, then they should deal with the big boys on our behalf, but of course they cannot, can they, as they are encourging he big boys to come &amp; play on the site (with links, etc),
but if you sell one of their branded products, they slap a vero notice on you...........

Recession: this is probaly the reason DVD/CD sellers are going up the wall....after all, these are the things that people impulse buy...Now people are looking in their pockets &amp; the extra tenner is not there.
Mind you, Downloads, Amazon &amp; the demise of woolworhs (middle man operation) has cut the prices &amp; thus, should cu the prices in shops.

Having been in furniture design in the past, it is really horrible, when a competetor copies your iems (a least some do make &#039;differences&#039;). If a company has spent 100,000ssss££££££ on developmen, them it&#039;s fair that they have sole rights to he item (at least for the copyrigh period).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I have said @4 above&#8230;.this is very much a case between the manufacturer &amp; the &#8216;new&#8217; ebay rights seller.</p>
<p>Someone, up high in the manufacturers, must know all &amp; where their buyers sell. They MUST have known what they were signing &amp; who they would effect.<br />
It is they, the manufactuers, who should be in touch, sorting it out with ebay Vero. All the shouting by the previous disgruntled sellers (sorry guys, no badness intended)  will get no one, anywhere.</p>
<p>Regretfully also, the up &amp; coming legal action, will again unfortunately drag on forever (as these things do). You would be surprized how many appeals go on &amp; on &amp; on&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Maybe the effected sellers, should band together &amp; sue the Manufacturer for the profits they are loosing&#8230;.&amp;, I don&#8217;t often stand up for ebay, but afer the recent cases, they are treadfing carefully.</p>
<p>As for the recent petition, sent around by ebay&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Sorry ebay, it&#8217;s in the delete folder, If ebay want to encourage the big boys, that&#8217;s fine, but you cannot have it both ways. It is upto ebay (as the selling platform) to make certain what can &amp; what cannot be sold on their site.<br />
If ebay expect the small seller, to sell on the  site, then they should deal with the big boys on our behalf, but of course they cannot, can they, as they are encourging he big boys to come &amp; play on the site (with links, etc),<br />
but if you sell one of their branded products, they slap a vero notice on you&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Recession: this is probaly the reason DVD/CD sellers are going up the wall&#8230;.after all, these are the things that people impulse buy&#8230;Now people are looking in their pockets &amp; the extra tenner is not there.<br />
Mind you, Downloads, Amazon &amp; the demise of woolworhs (middle man operation) has cut the prices &amp; thus, should cu the prices in shops.</p>
<p>Having been in furniture design in the past, it is really horrible, when a competetor copies your iems (a least some do make &#8216;differences&#8217;). If a company has spent 100,000ssss££££££ on developmen, them it&#8217;s fair that they have sole rights to he item (at least for the copyrigh period).</p>
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