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		<title>By: Nick Talley</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33099</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Talley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great! Have been waiting for this for over a year.

Have tried listing to .com with some success but it has been costly.

My post from a year ago sums up the problems... http://www.tamebay.com/2007/04/the-reality-of-the-loss-of-ebaycom-visibility.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great! Have been waiting for this for over a year.</p>
<p>Have tried listing to .com with some success but it has been costly.</p>
<p>My post from a year ago sums up the problems&#8230; <a href="http://www.tamebay.com/2007/04/the-reality-of-the-loss-of-ebaycom-visibility.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tamebay.com/2007/04/the-reality-of-the-loss-of-ebaycom-visibility.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Classic</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33096</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Classic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting North, a good way to look at it :-)

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting North, a good way to look at it <img src='http://tamebay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: northumbrian</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33073</link>
		<dc:creator>northumbrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we  look at ebay fees  as a tool to make money , not as a cost</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we  look at ebay fees  as a tool to make money , not as a cost</p>
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		<title>By: northumbrian</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33071</link>
		<dc:creator>northumbrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nothing complicated at all for us
 ebay fees are such a small part of our costs they are almost insignificant,
 and the  chance to peddle our wares to a few million more for a few coppers more is just wonderful</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nothing complicated at all for us<br />
 ebay fees are such a small part of our costs they are almost insignificant,<br />
 and the  chance to peddle our wares to a few million more for a few coppers more is just wonderful</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Classic</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33068</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Classic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like we posted above.

We do not think there IS any great saving when you work out the costs.

UK SIF not appearing in Core is a major problem for us and so this system is unworkable.

Ebay are trying to encourage us back to the UK it seems, but there is no encouragement.

SIF on .com is fantastic for us, we cannot trade that for a few pounds savings on FVF, (a few profitable sales balances that out).

It is such a shame there is not a FVF discount Ebay wide regardless of the country listed.

After all the DSR&#039;s are not really any motivation for the cross border sellers like the Chinese, as they do not get them anyway.

It seems that a very complicated system has been put in place when a nice simple FVF discount site wide would have been so much easier to implement.

I think Ebay are trying to do too much with something that should have been very simple.

You get good DSR&#039;s, you get a fvf discount.

This is not the case.

If you get good DSR&#039;s, list on one site and are willing to pay a small surcharge for wider visibility, while at the same time either being happy to hide your shop inventory on Ebay.co.uk, or invest a couple of hours a week changing them to .com listings (applicable for sellers of individual items), to get a dubious fee reduction, that when you look at the increased costs of listing on the UK site (we believe it is more expensive to list on the UK site anyway - but have not done the maths), the idea starts to run out of steam.

So our choice:

Leave well enough alone, take the hit on the chin that the FVF&#039;s have gone up and look to buy good stock that makes good money and sell in a good marketplace.

Ebay have made what could have been very simple, very complicated and whether anyone will actually save ANY fees is yet open to question (we have not got time to do the maths, but it does not look good).


So Ebay, your latest site changes would get a 1 out of 5 star rating on this one unfortunately for us as it does not do anything for our particular business model and we doubt it gives anyone a fee saving at all, who choose to use this option over listing directly on Ebay.com.

Too complicated, as clear as mud and probably no saving at all would be our summation....


Mark

We would re-iterate, we have not done the maths on this - so all comments given with that in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like we posted above.</p>
<p>We do not think there IS any great saving when you work out the costs.</p>
<p>UK SIF not appearing in Core is a major problem for us and so this system is unworkable.</p>
<p>Ebay are trying to encourage us back to the UK it seems, but there is no encouragement.</p>
<p>SIF on .com is fantastic for us, we cannot trade that for a few pounds savings on FVF, (a few profitable sales balances that out).</p>
<p>It is such a shame there is not a FVF discount Ebay wide regardless of the country listed.</p>
<p>After all the DSR&#8217;s are not really any motivation for the cross border sellers like the Chinese, as they do not get them anyway.</p>
<p>It seems that a very complicated system has been put in place when a nice simple FVF discount site wide would have been so much easier to implement.</p>
<p>I think Ebay are trying to do too much with something that should have been very simple.</p>
<p>You get good DSR&#8217;s, you get a fvf discount.</p>
<p>This is not the case.</p>
<p>If you get good DSR&#8217;s, list on one site and are willing to pay a small surcharge for wider visibility, while at the same time either being happy to hide your shop inventory on Ebay.co.uk, or invest a couple of hours a week changing them to .com listings (applicable for sellers of individual items), to get a dubious fee reduction, that when you look at the increased costs of listing on the UK site (we believe it is more expensive to list on the UK site anyway &#8211; but have not done the maths), the idea starts to run out of steam.</p>
<p>So our choice:</p>
<p>Leave well enough alone, take the hit on the chin that the FVF&#8217;s have gone up and look to buy good stock that makes good money and sell in a good marketplace.</p>
<p>Ebay have made what could have been very simple, very complicated and whether anyone will actually save ANY fees is yet open to question (we have not got time to do the maths, but it does not look good).</p>
<p>So Ebay, your latest site changes would get a 1 out of 5 star rating on this one unfortunately for us as it does not do anything for our particular business model and we doubt it gives anyone a fee saving at all, who choose to use this option over listing directly on Ebay.com.</p>
<p>Too complicated, as clear as mud and probably no saving at all would be our summation&#8230;.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
<p>We would re-iterate, we have not done the maths on this &#8211; so all comments given with that in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Des</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33064</link>
		<dc:creator>Des</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bold move by ebay and I shall certainly give it a go for a few months to see if its worth the investment, the only downside I see is that UK sellers also have to take into account that everything on .com has free gallery, so as well as the fee for visibility you need to ensure you pay for gallery to make it worthwhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bold move by ebay and I shall certainly give it a go for a few months to see if its worth the investment, the only downside I see is that UK sellers also have to take into account that everything on .com has free gallery, so as well as the fee for visibility you need to ensure you pay for gallery to make it worthwhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Toby</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33062</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say UK sellers in many categories are in for a rude awakening when tons of goods from the land of cheap postage and a low dollar starts showing up in .uk core.  The few of us in N America who were listing overseas to take advantage of the price disparity can probably kiss that gravy train goodbye  as items priced for the USA market become visible to even the clueless UK buyers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say UK sellers in many categories are in for a rude awakening when tons of goods from the land of cheap postage and a low dollar starts showing up in .uk core.  The few of us in N America who were listing overseas to take advantage of the price disparity can probably kiss that gravy train goodbye  as items priced for the USA market become visible to even the clueless UK buyers.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Bailey</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33050</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a good point, Biggles: the exchange rate right now will certainly make this offer more attractive to US sellers than to UK ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a good point, Biggles: the exchange rate right now will certainly make this offer more attractive to US sellers than to UK ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Biggles</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33047</link>
		<dc:creator>Biggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t remember the dollar exchange rate at the time eBay.uk decided to kneecap a number of sellers... was it about 1.50 USD to a pound? 

Now with the say 2 USD to a pound and every american lifting floormats to find a dime I don&#039;t expect a return of the way things were.  

&lt;b&gt; eBay.uk should have introduced this back then. NOT NOW!&lt;/b&gt;

That said, I&#039;ll suck it and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t remember the dollar exchange rate at the time eBay.uk decided to kneecap a number of sellers&#8230; was it about 1.50 USD to a pound? </p>
<p>Now with the say 2 USD to a pound and every american lifting floormats to find a dime I don&#8217;t expect a return of the way things were.  </p>
<p><b> eBay.uk should have introduced this back then. NOT NOW!</b></p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;ll suck it and see.</p>
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		<title>By: Josordoni</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33043</link>
		<dc:creator>Josordoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>urrggghhh

of course, as usual, I had just skimmed through the announcement.  The important thing for us is that nearly 100% of our listings have been in either Collectables or Porcelain, Pottery and Glass, which I had forgotten had visibility returned in October...

This will stop in May, so unless we DO pay for the visibility, we will almost certainly see a downturn in US and Australian buyers... :cry:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>urrggghhh</p>
<p>of course, as usual, I had just skimmed through the announcement.  The important thing for us is that nearly 100% of our listings have been in either Collectables or Porcelain, Pottery and Glass, which I had forgotten had visibility returned in October&#8230;</p>
<p>This will stop in May, so unless we DO pay for the visibility, we will almost certainly see a downturn in US and Australian buyers&#8230; <img src='http://tamebay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif' alt=':cry:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mark Classic</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33042</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Classic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Unsold UK items listed in the shop will still not appear on .com.

This would mean that auctions and bins have to be changed to US listings from UK listings if you want shop items to show up on .com. Not a simple task.

2. The additional cost of the 15p per item (that we would accrue), plus the more expensive costs of listing on the UK site, would mean that any FVF savings would be negligible as the costs would increase at the front end anyway (I believe).


So this does not seem suitable for our business model unfortunately :-)

It is a good job we do not rely on saving on fees for a succesful Ebay business model...

So it does not benefit us at all.

Now if the SIF format was visible for a fee, then maybe the maths would need to be worked out, but I do not think at the moment it is going to save any money over listing directly on .com.

Of course we may be wrong at this point, and we may not understand it correctly, but first glance this seems a partial solution that works for anyone that does not want or need shop listing visibility on .com.

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Unsold UK items listed in the shop will still not appear on .com.</p>
<p>This would mean that auctions and bins have to be changed to US listings from UK listings if you want shop items to show up on .com. Not a simple task.</p>
<p>2. The additional cost of the 15p per item (that we would accrue), plus the more expensive costs of listing on the UK site, would mean that any FVF savings would be negligible as the costs would increase at the front end anyway (I believe).</p>
<p>So this does not seem suitable for our business model unfortunately <img src='http://tamebay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It is a good job we do not rely on saving on fees for a succesful Ebay business model&#8230;</p>
<p>So it does not benefit us at all.</p>
<p>Now if the SIF format was visible for a fee, then maybe the maths would need to be worked out, but I do not think at the moment it is going to save any money over listing directly on .com.</p>
<p>Of course we may be wrong at this point, and we may not understand it correctly, but first glance this seems a partial solution that works for anyone that does not want or need shop listing visibility on .com.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Bailey</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33041</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You want to ennumerate what you think they are, Mark?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want to ennumerate what you think they are, Mark?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Classic</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33040</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Classic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some big flaws in the idea...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some big flaws in the idea&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: northumbrian</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33036</link>
		<dc:creator>northumbrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>plus I  am delighted to welcome our US cousins as competition
  , cos it makes my listings look so inexpensive  :grin:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>plus I  am delighted to welcome our US cousins as competition<br />
  , cos it makes my listings look so inexpensive  <img src='http://tamebay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: northumbrian</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33035</link>
		<dc:creator>northumbrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I list in quite a few categories  that once had US visibilty 
 and the lack of visibility has affected prices quite badly

 to say I am orgasmic about this
is an understatement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I list in quite a few categories  that once had US visibilty<br />
 and the lack of visibility has affected prices quite badly</p>
<p> to say I am orgasmic about this<br />
is an understatement</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie and Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie and Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks to be a great idea. Many of our customers purchase additional items from our shop after their initial purchase. By selecting a few popular lines for extra visibility we are potentially offering our entire stock to a wider market. We already get a high volume of international buyers and being able to place selected products in other ebay markets sounds like a winner to me. :grin:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks to be a great idea. Many of our customers purchase additional items from our shop after their initial purchase. By selecting a few popular lines for extra visibility we are potentially offering our entire stock to a wider market. We already get a high volume of international buyers and being able to place selected products in other ebay markets sounds like a winner to me. <img src='http://tamebay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sue Bailey</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33033</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;cost of the upgrade is less than the cost to list on the International site directly  &lt;/i&gt;
I think this is the point. If you have duplicatable stock, listing in both places can have its advantages (not having to deal with buyers who don&#039;t understand exchange rates, for example  :roll: ). If you don&#039;t, if you sell one-off collectables for example, then you can&#039;t offer the same thing on two listings so this may be very good for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>cost of the upgrade is less than the cost to list on the International site directly  </i><br />
I think this is the point. If you have duplicatable stock, listing in both places can have its advantages (not having to deal with buyers who don&#8217;t understand exchange rates, for example  <img src='http://tamebay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' />  ). If you don&#8217;t, if you sell one-off collectables for example, then you can&#8217;t offer the same thing on two listings so this may be very good for you.</p>
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		<title>By: northumbrian</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33032</link>
		<dc:creator>northumbrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>like any advert or service its only expensive if it does not work
 ebay could charge twice the amount and I would still use this service
 its actually  stroke of genius, if you dont want or need  international visibilty
 its nothing
 if you do you now  have a choice
 I am really quite excited about   ebays way of doing things these  days</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>like any advert or service its only expensive if it does not work<br />
 ebay could charge twice the amount and I would still use this service<br />
 its actually  stroke of genius, if you dont want or need  international visibilty<br />
 its nothing<br />
 if you do you now  have a choice<br />
 I am really quite excited about   ebays way of doing things these  days</p>
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		<title>By: Josordoni</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33031</link>
		<dc:creator>Josordoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be interesting.  I show international postage prices, and get a good  percentage of my sales from international buyers already.  I wonder if the educated buyers who will be prepared to pay the extra postage are not already searching worldwide? Because any uneducated domestic buyer may not want to pay what seems a higher postage charge in any case.  

In which case, would I find any benefit?  I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be interesting.  I show international postage prices, and get a good  percentage of my sales from international buyers already.  I wonder if the educated buyers who will be prepared to pay the extra postage are not already searching worldwide? Because any uneducated domestic buyer may not want to pay what seems a higher postage charge in any case.  </p>
<p>In which case, would I find any benefit?  I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Smythe</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/03/international-visibility-for-uk-sellers-for-a-price.html#comment-33029</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Smythe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue, I think this is certainly worth a test. 

The cost of the upgrade is less than the cost to list on the International site directly and now US sellers will be competing directly with UK sellers in the default search.

This change takes place in May so it may be worthwhile to test if the additional exposure is worth it by listing on the International site directly now. 

If the test is beneficial at the current rates it will certainly be worth it in May.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue, I think this is certainly worth a test. </p>
<p>The cost of the upgrade is less than the cost to list on the International site directly and now US sellers will be competing directly with UK sellers in the default search.</p>
<p>This change takes place in May so it may be worthwhile to test if the additional exposure is worth it by listing on the International site directly now. </p>
<p>If the test is beneficial at the current rates it will certainly be worth it in May.</p>
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