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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-27672</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok we&#039;re going off on a tangent here, but I was trying to distinguish between business and private sales. In the UK you don&#039;t have to pay tax if you&#039;re selling a few unwanted presents or old items. If you purchased the items with the intention to sell them at a profit however, then you&#039;re a trader. However always check with the tax man to make sure you&#039;re not considered a trader. If you&#039;re making a shed load of money then there are other taxes you may be liable for even if you&#039;re not considered a trader.

As for selling broken goods and laws on issues such as the buyer changing their mind, if you&#039;re selling via auction format listings, those laws don&#039;t always apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok we&#8217;re going off on a tangent here, but I was trying to distinguish between business and private sales. In the UK you don&#8217;t have to pay tax if you&#8217;re selling a few unwanted presents or old items. If you purchased the items with the intention to sell them at a profit however, then you&#8217;re a trader. However always check with the tax man to make sure you&#8217;re not considered a trader. If you&#8217;re making a shed load of money then there are other taxes you may be liable for even if you&#8217;re not considered a trader.</p>
<p>As for selling broken goods and laws on issues such as the buyer changing their mind, if you&#8217;re selling via auction format listings, those laws don&#8217;t always apply.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Bailey</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-27671</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, my apologies, I thought your point was that people who weren&#039;t making much money didn&#039;t have to pay tax. And that &quot;hobby sellers&quot; can sell broken goods so long as they don&#039;t say they&#039;re working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, my apologies, I thought your point was that people who weren&#8217;t making much money didn&#8217;t have to pay tax. And that &#8220;hobby sellers&#8221; can sell broken goods so long as they don&#8217;t say they&#8217;re working.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-27670</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Err that was my point Sue, I said that that&#039;s probably why ebay strive for higher standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Err that was my point Sue, I said that that&#8217;s probably why ebay strive for higher standards.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Bailey</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-27669</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that&#039;s representative of &quot;hobby sellers&quot;, I&#039;m really not surprised at all that eBay are taking steps to tighten up standards on the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that&#8217;s representative of &#8220;hobby sellers&#8221;, I&#8217;m really not surprised at all that eBay are taking steps to tighten up standards on the site.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-27667</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hobby sellers, people who do it for a bit of pocket money, whom HMRC aren&#039;t too bothered about as long as they really are only doing it for a bit of money. Consumer protection laws are different for private sales, obviously not in terms of misleading descriptions, but goods purchased from a private seller do not have to be free from faults, unless the description said they were working. 

Feedback blackmail is going to shift from being a buyer problem to being a seller problem. The buyer will from May hold all the aces, you&#039;ll have an empty hand and it&#039;s the smaller sellers who are going to be the victims of this extortion. Power sellers will brush it off. Yet the small guy, he&#039;s the one who will be worried. This is similar to the current situation, you don&#039;t get many power buyers, so a buyer has more to lose from bad feedback, hence the reason they are more likely to negotiate feedback. 

The fact that you leave feedback first is really irrelevant, because the next time the person buys, they still have their feedback rating to think of, it&#039;s designed to work that way.

A poor system is a poor system, but ebay seem hell bent on making a poor system worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hobby sellers, people who do it for a bit of pocket money, whom HMRC aren&#8217;t too bothered about as long as they really are only doing it for a bit of money. Consumer protection laws are different for private sales, obviously not in terms of misleading descriptions, but goods purchased from a private seller do not have to be free from faults, unless the description said they were working. </p>
<p>Feedback blackmail is going to shift from being a buyer problem to being a seller problem. The buyer will from May hold all the aces, you&#8217;ll have an empty hand and it&#8217;s the smaller sellers who are going to be the victims of this extortion. Power sellers will brush it off. Yet the small guy, he&#8217;s the one who will be worried. This is similar to the current situation, you don&#8217;t get many power buyers, so a buyer has more to lose from bad feedback, hence the reason they are more likely to negotiate feedback. </p>
<p>The fact that you leave feedback first is really irrelevant, because the next time the person buys, they still have their feedback rating to think of, it&#8217;s designed to work that way.</p>
<p>A poor system is a poor system, but ebay seem hell bent on making a poor system worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Dawson</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-27666</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add to Sue I&#039;ve been trying feedback first ever since I first started selling on ebay. You know I was so innocent, never occured to me the seller shouldn&#039;t leave it first and thankfully didn&#039;t have anyone to advise me otherwise. By the time people told me I was mad to leave feedback first I&#039;d got used to it and just carried on regardless. Never done me any harm and for years has left me open to feedback extortion.

Currently I&#039;m still waiting for my first buyer to try blackmailing me, truth is that buyers are actually pretty much like sellers - in the main they&#039;re nice decent people  :grin:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add to Sue I&#8217;ve been trying feedback first ever since I first started selling on ebay. You know I was so innocent, never occured to me the seller shouldn&#8217;t leave it first and thankfully didn&#8217;t have anyone to advise me otherwise. By the time people told me I was mad to leave feedback first I&#8217;d got used to it and just carried on regardless. Never done me any harm and for years has left me open to feedback extortion.</p>
<p>Currently I&#8217;m still waiting for my first buyer to try blackmailing me, truth is that buyers are actually pretty much like sellers &#8211; in the main they&#8217;re nice decent people  <img src='http://tamebay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sue Bailey</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-27663</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toby, I think you need to be more precise about &quot;hobby sellers&quot;. There are different laws for people selling their own second-hand goods and traders selling new items. However, those who &quot;don&#039;t make much profit&quot; or who &quot;are only doing it to earn some pocket money&quot; or who &quot;aren&#039;t powersellers&quot; (all real excuses) if they are buying to sell, are still subject to the same laws as the rest of us.

As for the feedback blackmail argument, I&#039;ve been leaving feedback first for months now, and no one has tried to blackmail me. If sellers are so paranoid about buyers, they need to consider the reasons for that paranoia, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toby, I think you need to be more precise about &#8220;hobby sellers&#8221;. There are different laws for people selling their own second-hand goods and traders selling new items. However, those who &#8220;don&#8217;t make much profit&#8221; or who &#8220;are only doing it to earn some pocket money&#8221; or who &#8220;aren&#8217;t powersellers&#8221; (all real excuses) if they are buying to sell, are still subject to the same laws as the rest of us.</p>
<p>As for the feedback blackmail argument, I&#8217;ve been leaving feedback first for months now, and no one has tried to blackmail me. If sellers are so paranoid about buyers, they need to consider the reasons for that paranoia, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-27660</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, there are different laws for hobby sellers and business. That&#039;s quite possibly why ebay reach for higher standards.

As for the feedback protests. They are 100% justified for hobby sellers. Power sellers probably won&#039;t be too bothered. However those who strive for their precious 100% feedback are going to be wide open to blackmail.

You don&#039;t prevent feedback blackmail by making it a one sided win win situation. The Ebay management are either very naive or they believe that allowing buyer feedback blackmail will increase revenue across the board and so it&#039;s acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, there are different laws for hobby sellers and business. That&#8217;s quite possibly why ebay reach for higher standards.</p>
<p>As for the feedback protests. They are 100% justified for hobby sellers. Power sellers probably won&#8217;t be too bothered. However those who strive for their precious 100% feedback are going to be wide open to blackmail.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t prevent feedback blackmail by making it a one sided win win situation. The Ebay management are either very naive or they believe that allowing buyer feedback blackmail will increase revenue across the board and so it&#8217;s acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-27659</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm - EBAY changes may be having an effect - certainly on how sellers feel about ebay - you&#039;d think they would try to build up sellers morale and good feelings about Ebay - a lot of good will to throw away. Anyway, yesterday Wed Feb20 ebay.com listing total = 12,926,407, currently Thurs Feb21 = 12,621,222, a drop of 305,185 listings or 2.36% - let&#039;s see what the rest of the week brings (I know my 60 or so formerly planned listings won&#039;t be there :+)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm &#8211; EBAY changes may be having an effect &#8211; certainly on how sellers feel about ebay &#8211; you&#8217;d think they would try to build up sellers morale and good feelings about Ebay &#8211; a lot of good will to throw away. Anyway, yesterday Wed Feb20 ebay.com listing total = 12,926,407, currently Thurs Feb21 = 12,621,222, a drop of 305,185 listings or 2.36% &#8211; let&#8217;s see what the rest of the week brings (I know my 60 or so formerly planned listings won&#8217;t be there :+)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-27658</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a seller I&#039;ve sent EBAY a request to automate the giving of feedback to my buyers - as all the feedback to buyers is the same, why do I have to go through the step of giving it? It&#039;s more of a transaction count now, not feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a seller I&#8217;ve sent EBAY a request to automate the giving of feedback to my buyers &#8211; as all the feedback to buyers is the same, why do I have to go through the step of giving it? It&#8217;s more of a transaction count now, not feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Davies</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-27115</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BIG LOL :grin:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BIG LOL <img src='http://tamebay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Guy Davies</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-27114</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sue but if your cat is in the way, then there s no point me pulling down my tr0nusers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sue but if your cat is in the way, then there s no point me pulling down my tr0nusers?</p>
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		<title>By: Where will the strikers go? : TameBay</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-27015</link>
		<dc:creator>Where will the strikers go? : TameBay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] changes appear to be still the biggest concern and doubtless the proposed eBay sellers strike will still go ahead on the 18th - 25th February. The numbers taking part will probably be small [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] changes appear to be still the biggest concern and doubtless the proposed eBay sellers strike will still go ahead on the 18th &#8211; 25th February. The numbers taking part will probably be small [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Bailey</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-26909</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Guy: Because I am a qualified eBay Educational Specialist, which *does* mean that eBay have approved my teaching trading on the site. Plus â€“ unlike eBay management â€“ I do make the majority of my living selling on eBay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Guy: Because I am a qualified eBay Educational Specialist, which *does* mean that eBay have approved my teaching trading on the site. Plus â€“ unlike eBay management â€“ I do make the majority of my living selling on eBay</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Davies</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-26904</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 12:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you need to change the title, as it sounds like you work for ebay. How would anyone employing you know that your advice is sound if what you say isnt affliiated with or approved by ebay management. 
I bet you five pounds sterling that this date is a disaster as well
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=250206616214

based on his feedback, i reckon she wont get paid or he turns up and expect some &quot;extras&quot; from a hooky credit card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you need to change the title, as it sounds like you work for ebay. How would anyone employing you know that your advice is sound if what you say isnt affliiated with or approved by ebay management.<br />
I bet you five pounds sterling that this date is a disaster as well<br />
<a href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=250206616214" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=250206616214</a></p>
<p>based on his feedback, i reckon she wont get paid or he turns up and expect some &#8220;extras&#8221; from a hooky credit card.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Bailey</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-26861</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That doesn&#039;t mean I work *for* eBay. I work for the people who hire me to consult about eBay (wow, that sentence is terrible). Here&#039;s some more information about the Education Specialist Program
http://pages.ebay.com/esp/
of which Chris and I are both members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean I work *for* eBay. I work for the people who hire me to consult about eBay (wow, that sentence is terrible). Here&#8217;s some more information about the Education Specialist Program<br />
<a href="http://pages.ebay.com/esp/" rel="nofollow">http://pages.ebay.com/esp/</a><br />
of which Chris and I are both members.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Davies</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-26860</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought you were an ebay consultant?

Says so on your occupation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought you were an ebay consultant?</p>
<p>Says so on your occupation</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Bailey</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-26859</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I most certainly do not work for eBay  :shock:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I most certainly do not work for eBay  <img src='http://tamebay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif' alt=':shock:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Guy Davies</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-26858</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So there are problems with the 0&#039;s then???

I know you work for ebay, but you ve got to admit this new feedback is going to cause so many problems for sellers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So there are problems with the 0&#8217;s then???</p>
<p>I know you work for ebay, but you ve got to admit this new feedback is going to cause so many problems for sellers.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Bailey</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-26857</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you bring the topic up, I have 10,260 feedback :lol: I&#039;m sorry, but I don&#039;t think luck has anything to do with problems with buyers. There are as many problematic buyers with 1000 feedback as there are with 0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you bring the topic up, I have 10,260 feedback <img src='http://tamebay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m sorry, but I don&#8217;t think luck has anything to do with problems with buyers. There are as many problematic buyers with 1000 feedback as there are with 0.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Davies</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-26856</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well then you must have been very lucky then! I only have 130 feedback and i can tell you that from selling online, people with under 5 feedback or less are bad news. To simply say they re just new is ignoring or negating my experiences.
As for DSR i ve checked this now, you re right. As i run a physical shop (oh my god what are they??) i have a lot of people who come in and try to return cds they have simply copied, or simply return they have &quot;borrowed&quot; for the weekend. Here the not faulty rule applies but i will often give credit notes as goodwill.
So in some ways i have recourse to say no to refunds as i sell new cds and new software such as final scratch, serato etc
http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/after_you_buy/buying_at_home/returning-cancelling/#named4

check here</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then you must have been very lucky then! I only have 130 feedback and i can tell you that from selling online, people with under 5 feedback or less are bad news. To simply say they re just new is ignoring or negating my experiences.<br />
As for DSR i ve checked this now, you re right. As i run a physical shop (oh my god what are they??) i have a lot of people who come in and try to return cds they have simply copied, or simply return they have &#8220;borrowed&#8221; for the weekend. Here the not faulty rule applies but i will often give credit notes as goodwill.<br />
So in some ways i have recourse to say no to refunds as i sell new cds and new software such as final scratch, serato etc<br />
<a href="http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/after_you_buy/buying_at_home/returning-cancelling/#named4" rel="nofollow">http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/after_you_buy/buying_at_home/returning-cancelling/#named4</a></p>
<p>check here</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Bailey</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-26849</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Guy, but in my experience, someone with no feedback is most likely new, that&#039;s all. And if you&#039;re in the EU, then #6, yes, they are entitled to a return/refund just because they change their mind: you need to read up on the Direct Selling Regulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Guy, but in my experience, someone with no feedback is most likely new, that&#8217;s all. And if you&#8217;re in the EU, then #6, yes, they are entitled to a return/refund just because they change their mind: you need to read up on the Direct Selling Regulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Davies</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-26848</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have spent any time at all selling on ebay, you know that someone with no feedback as a buyer is most likely

1)dodgy
2)won&#039;t pay
3)try to pay with a dodgy paypal account or credit card
account/
4) Ask for delivery to an unconfirmed address
5)not read the listing properly and demand all sorts of things that weren&#039;t in the listing and neg you for not providing the spurious requirements
6) simply change their mind and ask YOU to ship back the item (if its a heavy item THIS WILL COST)
(By the way i m pretty sure a customer is not entitled to a refund or return simply because they changed their mind)

Anyway
This isnt just supposition, i have had many experiences of people trying on such nonsense, the feedback gives an indicator of how seriously you should take the buyer. Lets face it, the main problem with ebay isnt sellers negging buyers, it&#039;s the legion upon legion of dodgy internet characters trying to pull all manner of stunts. From Nigerians spoofing paypal confirmation emails, use of stolen credit cards for high end goods and not to mention people sending a lovely rubber cheque. As soon as i see a buyer with no feedback or negs then i know to treat them with caution. Inexperienced sellers are going to be extremely vulnerable to this type of behaviour that ebay attracts. So when a seller is ripped off as they had no inkling the buyer wasnt genuine, the seller definitely wont come back either, so its pointless to favour the buyer over the seller as the seller is paying the fees! I can see a lot of scammers/time wasters/jokers just leaving negative feedback for the sake of it. Perfectly respectable sellers will lose their 100% (or their online reputation) in an instant and will lose sales, which in turn lose ebay money as the new fees are &quot;success driven&quot; :roll:

I just think its absolutely daft, instead they should just spend more time policing sellers and buyers alike rather than lopsiding their feedback system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have spent any time at all selling on ebay, you know that someone with no feedback as a buyer is most likely</p>
<p>1)dodgy<br />
2)won&#8217;t pay<br />
3)try to pay with a dodgy paypal account or credit card<br />
account/<br />
4) Ask for delivery to an unconfirmed address<br />
5)not read the listing properly and demand all sorts of things that weren&#8217;t in the listing and neg you for not providing the spurious requirements<br />
6) simply change their mind and ask YOU to ship back the item (if its a heavy item THIS WILL COST)<br />
(By the way i m pretty sure a customer is not entitled to a refund or return simply because they changed their mind)</p>
<p>Anyway<br />
This isnt just supposition, i have had many experiences of people trying on such nonsense, the feedback gives an indicator of how seriously you should take the buyer. Lets face it, the main problem with ebay isnt sellers negging buyers, it&#8217;s the legion upon legion of dodgy internet characters trying to pull all manner of stunts. From Nigerians spoofing paypal confirmation emails, use of stolen credit cards for high end goods and not to mention people sending a lovely rubber cheque. As soon as i see a buyer with no feedback or negs then i know to treat them with caution. Inexperienced sellers are going to be extremely vulnerable to this type of behaviour that ebay attracts. So when a seller is ripped off as they had no inkling the buyer wasnt genuine, the seller definitely wont come back either, so its pointless to favour the buyer over the seller as the seller is paying the fees! I can see a lot of scammers/time wasters/jokers just leaving negative feedback for the sake of it. Perfectly respectable sellers will lose their 100% (or their online reputation) in an instant and will lose sales, which in turn lose ebay money as the new fees are &#8220;success driven&#8221; <img src='http://tamebay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I just think its absolutely daft, instead they should just spend more time policing sellers and buyers alike rather than lopsiding their feedback system.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-25937</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a buyer buys an item, it is sent to them and they do a chargeback and keep the item, I do believe that is considered fraud.  More so if the item is sent through the mail, I do believe the term is &#039;Mail Fraud&#039;.

Also I would check internet and FTC rules on the situation.

Red donuts work for not paying for an item, works to warn other seller&#039;s that this is an non-paying bidder.  If a new buyer (currently) runs a (-4) in feedback they are suspended.

Three unpaid item disputes and they are suspended.

I think if a seller files an unpaid item dispute, the buyer does not respond to it then they deserve a red donut.

I agree a buyer doesn&#039;t deserve a red donut from a seller because the seller is getting back at them for other reasons.

I also think if a buyer does not read your auction and then leaves you a red donut, it should be removed.  If you have in your terms and they don&#039;t live by those terms, they deserve a red donut.  If you go to a store and buy something and break the return policy, you do not get a gold star.

You asked what is to stop a buyer from registering a new account.  To answer your question, NOTHING.  eBay does not have a real verification system.  This is a problem that eBay should be looking into, rather then feedback.

It is silly to think that a buyer should not be held accountable for their actions.  If you bid, you win, you pay.  No exceptions.  You agree to those terms when you sign up for eBay. If you don&#039;t leave up to that agreement, you should be held accountable.  Should we give a non-paying bidder a bell rub, a should massage?  I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a buyer buys an item, it is sent to them and they do a chargeback and keep the item, I do believe that is considered fraud.  More so if the item is sent through the mail, I do believe the term is &#8216;Mail Fraud&#8217;.</p>
<p>Also I would check internet and FTC rules on the situation.</p>
<p>Red donuts work for not paying for an item, works to warn other seller&#8217;s that this is an non-paying bidder.  If a new buyer (currently) runs a (-4) in feedback they are suspended.</p>
<p>Three unpaid item disputes and they are suspended.</p>
<p>I think if a seller files an unpaid item dispute, the buyer does not respond to it then they deserve a red donut.</p>
<p>I agree a buyer doesn&#8217;t deserve a red donut from a seller because the seller is getting back at them for other reasons.</p>
<p>I also think if a buyer does not read your auction and then leaves you a red donut, it should be removed.  If you have in your terms and they don&#8217;t live by those terms, they deserve a red donut.  If you go to a store and buy something and break the return policy, you do not get a gold star.</p>
<p>You asked what is to stop a buyer from registering a new account.  To answer your question, NOTHING.  eBay does not have a real verification system.  This is a problem that eBay should be looking into, rather then feedback.</p>
<p>It is silly to think that a buyer should not be held accountable for their actions.  If you bid, you win, you pay.  No exceptions.  You agree to those terms when you sign up for eBay. If you don&#8217;t leave up to that agreement, you should be held accountable.  Should we give a non-paying bidder a bell rub, a should massage?  I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Classic</title>
		<link>http://tamebay.com/2008/02/sellers-strike-in-protest-at-ebay-changes.html#comment-25900</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Classic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if there was another way around it though, not sure how mind :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if there was another way around it though, not sure how mind <img src='http://tamebay.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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