Comments on: Vero to zero in one eBay step http://tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html eBay & ecommerce made easy Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:10:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Josordoni http://tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-33002 Josordoni Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:34:17 +0000 http://www.tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-33002 Well done to your dude Biggles! Just goes to show sometimes the little man can get a good result... Well done to your dude Biggles!

Just goes to show sometimes the little man can get a good result…

]]> By: Biggles http://tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-33001 Biggles Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:20:56 +0000 http://www.tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-33001 Here is a nice story, and maybe be of use oneday. I am heavily involved in product compliance for the products from a small firm <i>(it's extremely dull and makes staring at a breezeblock wall a fun day out)</i>... (it's all the work that goes into supporting the <b>CE</b> marking you see on a product!) anyway.. one of their customers decided to make his own product. I advised him on the compliance issues and that was that. He later came back to me for advice on bullying tactics from an American firm claiming they owned the rights etc.. the tactics used by the USA company was a disgrace, they were using the USA legal process to keep his product out of north america, and then they started in on Europe. <i>( remember in USA with certain legal matters you can say just about anything you want, like you invented the wheel, for a case to start. Doing that gets a great deal of money and time locked up, effectively putting the other party in a boggy marsh on a rainy day in a place where it rains all the time.)</i> I said maybe he should avoid the legal processes and maybe do something else instead. ( I speak from experience!) So I get a call from this dude a few months later saying how he complained to the UK authorities ( trading standards ) about the non-compliance of these american products ( incorrectly CE marked, not compliant etc) .. it turns out the inter-European product surveillance and reporting mechanism worked rather well, resulting in the products being seized by the various regulatory enforcement agencies across europe. <b>Result!</b> Not much help for VERO, sorry about that. Which reminds me I have a product I sell (designed by myself) that seems to trigger a copyright warning everytime I list. Genius. Here is a nice story, and maybe be of use oneday. I am heavily involved in product compliance for the products from a small firm (it’s extremely dull and makes staring at a breezeblock wall a fun day out)… (it’s all the work that goes into supporting the CE marking you see on a product!)

anyway.. one of their customers decided to make his own product. I advised him on the compliance issues and that was that. He later came back to me for advice on bullying tactics from an American firm claiming they owned the rights etc.. the tactics used by the USA company was a disgrace, they were using the USA legal process to keep his product out of north america, and then they started in on Europe. ( remember in USA with certain legal matters you can say just about anything you want, like you invented the wheel, for a case to start. Doing that gets a great deal of money and time locked up, effectively putting the other party in a boggy marsh on a rainy day in a place where it rains all the time.) I said maybe he should avoid the legal processes and maybe do something else instead. ( I speak from experience!)

So I get a call from this dude a few months later saying how he complained to the UK authorities ( trading standards ) about the non-compliance of these american products ( incorrectly CE marked, not compliant etc) .. it turns out the inter-European product surveillance and reporting mechanism worked rather well, resulting in the products being seized by the various regulatory enforcement agencies across europe. Result!

Not much help for VERO, sorry about that. Which reminds me I have a product I sell (designed by myself) that seems to trigger a copyright warning everytime I list. Genius.

]]> By: Josordoni http://tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-33000 Josordoni Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:57:44 +0000 http://www.tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-33000 I have already done all I am going to do, it is for the copyright holder to pursue the matter rather than me. I just wondered. and yes, I agree, US law and UK law are just a TAD different.... :wink: edit: your comments apply to more than just me of course... DOH... I have already done all I am going to do, it is for the copyright holder to pursue the matter rather than me.

I just wondered. and yes, I agree, US law and UK law are just a TAD different…. :wink:

edit: your comments apply to more than just me of course… DOH…

]]> By: Sue Bailey http://tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-32999 Sue Bailey Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:19:05 +0000 http://www.tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-32999 I would take some proper advice before you follow MadHatter's suggestions; NOCI is (as far as I am aware) US law and not applicable to UK issues. It stands for "notice of copyright infringement". Other advice given in that post seems to me to be deeply flawed. As always, do not rely on the comments of random strangers on the internet (even me!) when legal issues are at stake. I would take some proper advice before you follow MadHatter’s suggestions; NOCI is (as far as I am aware) US law and not applicable to UK issues. It stands for “notice of copyright infringement”. Other advice given in that post seems to me to be deeply flawed. As always, do not rely on the comments of random strangers on the internet (even me!) when legal issues are at stake.

]]> By: Josordoni http://tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-32997 Josordoni Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:23:01 +0000 http://www.tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-32997 Sorry, what is NOCI? I ask because I had a listing removed yesterday for VERO infringement, but when I contacted the two companies I know own the copyright to the makes shown in the listing, neither of them had heard of the complainant's email address. I have forwarded the VERO removal email to the copyright holder, and I presume they will be taking action themselves, and have emailed the complainant asking what right has been infringed, but no reply... it is only one small listing so nothing special, but I still think it is very strange that someone can claim a copyright that does not belong them . Sorry, what is NOCI?

I ask because I had a listing removed yesterday for VERO infringement, but when I contacted the two companies I know own the copyright to the makes shown in the listing, neither of them had heard of the complainant’s email address. I have forwarded the VERO removal email to the copyright holder, and I presume they will be taking action themselves, and have emailed the complainant asking what right has been infringed, but no reply…

it is only one small listing so nothing special, but I still think it is very strange that someone can claim a copyright that does not belong them .

]]> By: MadHatter http://tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-32995 MadHatter Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:52:41 +0000 http://www.tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-32995 If you have been Vero'd by another seller I strongly suggest you send them a warning email to desist from claiming a false IP right - then if they refuse to allow E Bay to relist your item you can simply file a NOCI against ALL their listings. It is very important that ALL E Bay users who encounter this problem file NOCI against other sellers. It is only when there is a significant disruption in the marketplace will E Bay sit up and take notice. You can also use this tactic to enforce cooperation from unscrupulous sellers trying to corner the marketplace. If you have been Vero’d by another seller I strongly suggest you send them a warning email to desist from claiming a false IP right – then if they refuse to allow E Bay to relist your item you can simply file a NOCI against ALL their listings.
It is very important that ALL E Bay users who encounter this problem file NOCI against other sellers. It is only when there is a significant disruption in the marketplace will E Bay sit up and take notice. You can also use this tactic to enforce cooperation from unscrupulous sellers trying to corner the marketplace.

]]> By: steve day http://tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-17824 steve day Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:07:06 +0000 http://www.tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-17824 Both Ebay Vero suck! Ebay & now they own Paypal both rib you off with idiotic fees. Their day will come though, other internet auction sites are getting bigger due to Ebay's own greed! Both Ebay Vero suck! Ebay & now they own Paypal both rib you off with idiotic fees. Their day will come though, other internet auction sites are getting bigger due to Ebay’s own greed!

]]> By: Autumn http://tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-12887 Autumn Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:58:43 +0000 http://www.tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-12887 Well it is September 2007, months after this story was published and VERO still continues to be abused at ebay by hucksters who want to eliminate competition, manipulate the market for their own greed, etc. Auctions that I have repeatedly listed at eBay for almost 8 years have recently been yanked off ebay due to the abuse of the VERO program. It seems any wanker can fill out the VERO form and have competing auctions pulled to increase their own market share since ebay refuses to verify the validity of their IP claim. Ebay's trust and safety department refuses to listen to my complaint that my auctions are not in violation of IP laws, but instead are being targeted so another ebay user can eliminate competition, namely me. I also pointed out that the person making the VERO complaint against me has committed perjury on the VERO form they signed against me since there is clearly no IP violations in any of the auctions I sell on ebay. Ebay just turns a blind eye to all of this abuse. Needless to say after 8 years of hard work building a successful ebay business I'm being forced to close my ebay business. I have lost thousands of dollars in income due to VERO abuses, and now I have lost my ebay business. This really sucks. Well it is September 2007, months after this story was published and VERO still continues to be abused at ebay by hucksters who want to eliminate competition, manipulate the market for their own greed, etc.

Auctions that I have repeatedly listed at eBay for almost 8 years have recently been yanked off ebay due to the abuse of the VERO program. It seems any wanker can fill out the VERO form and have competing auctions pulled to increase their own market share since ebay refuses to verify the validity of their IP claim.

Ebay’s trust and safety department refuses to listen to my complaint that my auctions are not in violation of IP laws, but instead are being targeted so another ebay user can eliminate competition, namely me. I also pointed out that the person making the VERO complaint against me has committed perjury on the VERO form they signed against me since there is clearly no IP violations in any of the auctions I sell on ebay.

Ebay just turns a blind eye to all of this abuse.

Needless to say after 8 years of hard work building a successful ebay business I’m being forced to close my ebay business.

I have lost thousands of dollars in income due to VERO abuses, and now I have lost my ebay business. This really sucks.

]]> By: How to use VeRO to kill your competition : TameBay http://tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-9398 How to use VeRO to kill your competition : TameBay Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:05:50 +0000 http://www.tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-9398 [...] The VERO program is a bit of a mystery to most eBay users. Often the first time they hear of it is the receipt of an email telling them their auction has been ended for breaching someone’s Intellectual Property (IP) rights. In normal circumstances it’s understandable you shouldn’t be using someone’s trademark, copyright or patent. In practise however it can be almost impossible to verify products from your supplier don’t infringe upon another manufacturers IP. [...] [...] The VERO program is a bit of a mystery to most eBay users. Often the first time they hear of it is the receipt of an email telling them their auction has been ended for breaching someone’s Intellectual Property (IP) rights. In normal circumstances it’s understandable you shouldn’t be using someone’s trademark, copyright or patent. In practise however it can be almost impossible to verify products from your supplier don’t infringe upon another manufacturers IP. [...]

]]> By: Nick Talley http://tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-2673 Nick Talley Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:19:57 +0000 http://www.tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-2673 it's a terrible shame that you have had to end your eBay enterprise. We have had many VeRO issues over the last few years and also suffered a suspension in the early stages of the business. eBay will not change the VeRO policy as it gets them "off the hook" when faced with legal action from the rights owners. I can see the reasons for VeRO but it is not regulated, anyone can register which can lead to abuse. In fact we are also VeRO members, only to stop other eBayers from using our images, not to restrict legitimate competition. I do hope that your website is a success. it’s a terrible shame that you have had to end your eBay enterprise. We have had many VeRO issues over the last few years and also suffered a suspension in the early stages of the business.

eBay will not change the VeRO policy as it gets them “off the hook” when faced with legal action from the rights owners.

I can see the reasons for VeRO but it is not regulated, anyone can register which can lead to abuse.

In fact we are also VeRO members, only to stop other eBayers from using our images, not to restrict legitimate competition.

I do hope that your website is a success.

]]> By: TameBay : Harry Potter’s J K Rowling sues eBay http://tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-403 TameBay : Harry Potter’s J K Rowling sues eBay Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:19:01 +0000 http://www.tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-403 [...] eBay have long claimed to be “just a venue” unable to verify the authenticity of sellers products. The VeRO program allows IP Rights owners to flag counterfeit items and other unauthorised material which eBay removes when notified. The Rowling injunction orders eBay to bypass this process and actively police the site themselves. Additionally eBay are currently under pressure from sellers to examine the VeRO program, due to misuse by companies illegally trying to control the marketplace. [...] [...] eBay have long claimed to be “just a venue” unable to verify the authenticity of sellers products. The VeRO program allows IP Rights owners to flag counterfeit items and other unauthorised material which eBay removes when notified. The Rowling injunction orders eBay to bypass this process and actively police the site themselves. Additionally eBay are currently under pressure from sellers to examine the VeRO program, due to misuse by companies illegally trying to control the marketplace. [...]

]]> By: Mark http://tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-382 Mark Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:40:03 +0000 http://www.tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-382 I am completely amazed that Ebay do not see the danger of this to their business. How can a business allow other businesses to put their customers under and activiley support it. I hope this is a snowball effect, in that this gets major media attention. Than and only then will Ebay do anything. I am completely amazed that Ebay do not see the danger of this to their business.

How can a business allow other businesses to put their customers under and activiley support it.

I hope this is a snowball effect, in that this gets major media attention.

Than and only then will Ebay do anything.

]]> By: jen http://tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-378 jen Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:47:31 +0000 http://www.tamebay.com/2007/02/vero-to-zero-in-one-ebay-step.html#comment-378 I seem to be hearing more and more of these stories - are more scammers learning to use vero to their own advantage, since VERO actually does little follow-up to verify the identity or validity of a complaint? I seem to be hearing more and more of these stories – are more scammers learning to use vero to their own advantage, since VERO actually does little follow-up to verify the identity or validity of a complaint?

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